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Offline Yada  
#101 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:27:39 PM(UTC)
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Now, it's no longer "links to Al-Qaeda," it's "influenced by the Taliban." From CNN:

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Offline Yada  
#102 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2009 5:47:17 PM(UTC)
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Joseph’s Tomb vandalized

April 23, 2009

JERUSALEM (JTA) -- Hundreds of Jewish worshipers who arrived for a prayer service at Joseph's Tomb found it vandalized.

Some of the 500 pilgrims visiting the tomb, in the West Bank city of Nablus, late Wednesday night said it was struck with a hard object and was full of boot prints, the headstone was smashed and swastikas were drawn on the walls, according to reports.

The tomb has been burned and damaged several times. In 2001, Palestinian rioters burned and defaced the tomb less than a year after Israeli troops pulled out of the tomb compound. It was renovated recently by residents of area West Bank communities, in part to repair damage from the 2001 incident.

Jews were prevented from visiting the tomb for several years following the Israeli army's pullout from Nablus, but last December the army began allowing groups to visit the compound at night with approval from military authorities.
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Offline In His Name  
#103 Posted : Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:05:53 AM(UTC)
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U.S. plans to accept several Chinese Muslims from Guantanamo
The Uighurs would be the first detainees from the prison to settle in America. Challenges are expected from China and within the U.S.
By Julian E. Barnes
April 24, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- The Obama administration is preparing to admit into the United States as many as seven Chinese Muslims who have been imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay in the first release of any of the detainees into this country, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Their release is seen as a crucial step to plans, announced by President Obama during his first week in office, to close the prison and relocate the detainees. Administration officials also believe that settling some of them in American communities will set an example, helping to persuade other nations to accept Guantanamo detainees too.


Maybe we could release them to one of the 35 Jihad training camps in the US. (see JIHAD WATCH page 4)
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Offline Yada  
#104 Posted : Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:19:39 PM(UTC)
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Quote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, "JM" wrote:

A WAKEUP call indeed:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU


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Re: Have you ever seen this video on democraphics of Muslim expansion worldwide?‏
From: Yada (Yada@winns.org)
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 8:56:07 AM
To: "JM"

J,

Yes. There is a reason that WWIII is all Islamic. There is a reason 666 is actually, in the name of Allah. There is a reason, Yahweh has so much to say about Islam in Scripture. There is a reason it will be easy to establish a one world government at the beginning of the Tribulation in the fall of 2026.

The battle can no longer be won. America and Europe are finished. There is no hope for either. It's obvious.

However, our biggest problem is Christianity, not Islam. And Secular Humanism is a bigger foe than Muslims as well.

Yada
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Offline Matthew  
#105 Posted : Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:24:07 AM(UTC)
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From BBC:

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Trial in France for Jew's murder
Wednesday, 29 April 2009

Twenty-seven people have gone on trial in Paris for the kidnapping and killing of a young Jewish man that shocked France three years ago.

A gang targeting Jews in ransom kidnappings has been blamed for the abduction and brutal torture of the victim, Ilan Halimi.

The alleged gang leader, Youssouf Fofana, shouted "God is great" in Arabic as he entered the courtroom.

The killing prompted large demonstrations against anti-Semitism.

Mr Halimi, 23, was kidnapped and brutally tortured for more than three weeks before he was found naked and tied to a tree near a railway track in the suburbs south of Paris. Read on
Offline Yada  
#106 Posted : Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:52:51 AM(UTC)
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What do you think, was this an attempt on the Queen's life? From CNN:

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Queen's Day crash 1:04
A car careers into a crowd of people near a bus carrying Queen Beatrix in the Dutch town of Apeldoorn.


Here is another video from YouTube.

Here's a video and article from the Digital Journal.

Update: The police are refusing to release the name of the man but have charged him with attacking the royal family.

You can watch a report from Sky News here: http://video.news.sky.co..._P7650_CRASH_HOLLAND.flv

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Offline Yada  
#107 Posted : Friday, May 1, 2009 1:54:42 PM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Egypt to kill all pigs 2:10
CNN's Tim Lister reports on Egypt's decision to slaughter all its pigs and the furor it's triggered.
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Offline Yada  
#108 Posted : Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:29:34 AM(UTC)
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#109 Posted : Sunday, May 3, 2009 11:24:19 AM(UTC)
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#110 Posted : Sunday, May 3, 2009 5:23:38 PM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Offline Yada  
#111 Posted : Monday, May 4, 2009 7:31:06 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Mullen: 'Must do' situation in Afghanistan
The U.S. military's primary focus needs to shift immediately from Iraq to Afghanistan, Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said today. "This isn't about 'can do' anymore. This is about 'must do,' " Mullen said. He said he is "gravely concerned" about Taliban and al Qaeda gains in southern Afghanistan and in Pakistan. full story
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#112 Posted : Tuesday, May 5, 2009 6:51:30 PM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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500,000 expected to flee before Pakistan offensive
Some 500,000 civilians are expected to flee Pakistan's Swat Valley, heeding a government evacuation order issued Tuesday ahead of an expected military offensive in the Taliban-dominated region. The violence comes on the eve of a meeting between President Obama and his Pakistani counterpart, Asif Ali Zardari. Obama will also meet separately with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. full story
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Offline Noach  
#113 Posted : Wednesday, May 6, 2009 8:44:16 PM(UTC)
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ISLAM DAY!!!
I found this article on Fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/p...s-pass-create-islam-day/
Evidently, all you have to do is blow more than 3,000 people to bits in one day in the name of your religion and you can get a special day to recognize your religions accomplishments. Muslims must be so proud of this recognition.
Bravo Hawaii.
Offline Matthew  
#114 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2009 1:41:45 AM(UTC)
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Noach wrote:
ISLAM DAY!!!
I found this article on Fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/p...s-pass-create-islam-day/
Evidently, all you have to do is blow more than 3,000 people to bits in one day in the name of your religion and you can get a special day to recognize your religions accomplishments. Muslims must be so proud of this recognition.
Bravo Hawaii.


Why honour the people who kill you?
Offline TRUTH B-TOLD  
#115 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2009 10:21:59 AM(UTC)
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Isa. 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

A shame will fall across this land for men can nolonger discern right from wrong, so sad.

Offline bitnet  
#116 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2009 7:04:51 PM(UTC)
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Shalom,

This puts paid to my idea of retiring to Hawaii... If it's just going to be like where I am now why bother moving? Hahaha! SIGH!
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Offline In His Name  
#117 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2009 4:19:19 AM(UTC)
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Hamas leader: We offer Israel 10 years of calm after state establishment

Posted: 05-05-2009 , 05:56 GMT

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khaled meshaalHamas chief has told the New York Times that its fighters in the Gaza Strip halted the launching of rockets at southern Israel. According to him, his group was looking for a state in the areas Israel occupied in 1967.

“I promise the American administration and the international community that we will be part of the solution, period,” Khaled Masha'sl, was quoted as saying. He, however, insisted that Hamas would not recognize Israel, saying “There is only one enemy in the region, and that is Israel.”


1. Doesn't this guy read... it is 7 years not 10
2. Hey everybody, Hamas promised peace for land, the terrorism is over!

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#118 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2009 5:07:09 AM(UTC)
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Sounds awfully a lot like Muhammad's Treaty of Hudaybiyah!
Offline kp  
#119 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2009 5:30:11 AM(UTC)
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Funny thing: the Hebrew word for the violence that permeated the earth in the days of Noah---so much that Yahweh decided to wipe it out with a flood---is hamas.

kp
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#120 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2009 2:15:54 PM(UTC)
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Did anyone know that this was the national 'sport' in Afghanistan? From CNN:

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#121 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2009 6:00:45 PM(UTC)
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#122 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2009 6:08:21 PM(UTC)
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#123 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2009 5:40:45 AM(UTC)
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#124 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2009 8:53:23 AM(UTC)
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PMW: Jordanian Media Report 'Jews Descend from Pigs'

by Hana Levi Julian (IsraelNN.com)
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Jordanian media last week quoted Egyptian clerics who declared that Jews are the descendants of pigs -- the only point of debate was whether they are direct descendants or not.... "pigs in our time have their origins in Jews who angered Allah... and it is obligatory to kill and slaughter them.".... Othman based his ruling on a Koranic verse (Koran sura 5, verse 60) that refers to those that Allah (G-d) has cursed and "made into monkeys and pigs, and who have served abominations. Their place is worst of all, and their deviation is the greatest of all..."


Was that slaughter the pigs or slaughter the Jews?

Just how is this peace plan going to come together?? This AC guy is going to be one slick dude.
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#125 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:56:10 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:



The caption on the photo below reads: "A Pakistani girl displaced by the offensive against the Taliban rests at a camp Saturday north of Islamabad."
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Offline Yada  
#126 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:01:03 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:



One excerpt:

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"The three were charged with waging war (against God), corruption on earth and activities against the state."


The full article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/.../iran.hanging/index.html
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#127 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:08:25 PM(UTC)
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#128 Posted : Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:21:32 AM(UTC)
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#129 Posted : Monday, June 1, 2009 4:40:26 PM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Suspect arrested in recruiting center shooting
An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces charges including first-degree murder, police said. full story
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#130 Posted : Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:49:30 AM(UTC)
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The Sheriff at the end of the video states that Muhammad had no ties to other groups or organizations and acted alone. I think that it is a little early in the investigation to be asserting that, but, if true, it proves that all you need in your "Johnny-Jihad Islamic Terrorist Starter Kit" is al-Qur'an and an AR-15. Just read and follow the instructions.
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
But first, it will piss you off!
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#131 Posted : Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:23:25 AM(UTC)
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#132 Posted : Thursday, June 4, 2009 4:03:21 AM(UTC)
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From CNN today:

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Obama: U.S. 'not at war with Islam'

(CNN) -- President Obama spoke Thursday of the tensions between the United States and Muslims, saying "the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam."

"Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11, 2001, and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile," said Obama, delivering what the White House billed as a major speech to the Muslim world in Cairo, Egypt. read full story
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#133 Posted : Sunday, June 7, 2009 6:07:23 PM(UTC)
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Obama speech quoted jihad verse from Quran
Address to Muslims used Islamic text urging war against nonbelievers
Posted: June 07, 2009
11:22 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
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JERUSALEM
– In his major address to the Muslim world last week, President Obama quoted a verse from the Quran that is interpreted as urging Muslims to follow Muhammad in waging jihad against nonbelievers.

The context of the verse – first noticed by Robert Spencer of the Jihad Watch website – was confirmed by Quranic experts contacted by WND.


Click headline for full article. BO quoted the peaceful sounding 'sound bite' verse, the context it comes from is not so peaceful. No doubt (well maybe a little nagging doubt) this was not intentional, just a speechwriter looking for that sound bite without understanding what was around it. But how will this be heard by muslims?
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#134 Posted : Monday, June 8, 2009 12:51:21 AM(UTC)
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Shalom,

The Obamanation has spoken and is setting the stage for The Abomination. What else is there to say?
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#135 Posted : Monday, June 8, 2009 3:06:07 AM(UTC)
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From the Jihad Watch website commenting on Obama's use of the Quran:

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Obama picked out of this one sentence that made it appear as if the Qur'an was simply counseling one to speak the truth, mindful of the divine presence. In reality, the passage is about the necessity to wage jihad warfare against unbelievers, and not to fail to perform this duty. He took a passage about warfare and division and passed it off as part of a call for us all to come together and sing kumbaya.


Read Jihad Watch's article, pretty good.
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#136 Posted : Saturday, June 13, 2009 6:51:53 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Iran election protesters: 'It's not possible!'
By this morning, the most often repeated exclamation in Tehran was: "It's not possible!" People were reacting to news that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won re-election with 63.29 percent of the vote. Protestors headed to the city's squares and main streets, where they faced regular beatings by police using batons and pepper spray, Time.com reports. full story
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#137 Posted : Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:06:18 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Iran election protests turn violent
Angry crowds in Moseni Square in Iran's capital today broke into shops, tore down signs and started fires as they protested the re-election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, according to CNN employees at the scene. full story
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#138 Posted : Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:27:59 AM(UTC)
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#139 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:49:28 AM(UTC)
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From CNN:
Angry crowds in Moseni Square in Iran's capital today broke into shops, tore down signs and started fires as they protested the re-election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,


Whomever succeeds Ahmadinejad (if not in this election, perhaps the next) might be The One To Watch, especially if he can unite the two major houses of Islam and negotiate some sort of "mutual non-aggression pact" with Israel.

I think this thing is kind of like the board game Othello: There are many white pieces on the board, then a few black pieces are played... Boom, the whole landscape changes with what appears to be no warning.
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#140 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:58:55 PM(UTC)
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From CNN:

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Iranian cries in the dark: 'God is great'
Even sequestered by government order in their hotel, CNN's journalists could still hear the sounds of protests in the night. Voices shouted "God is great!" from rooftops, faces hidden in the dark. Not since the 1979 revolution has Iran seen such political turmoil. Pressure is building on Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamanei. The nation is eager to hear what he will say when he speaks at Friday prayers. full story
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#141 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 9:45:03 AM(UTC)
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Just in case you were not sure what AQ would do if/when they take possession of Paki nukes:


Al Qaeda says would use Pakistani nuclear weapons
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DUBAI (Reuters) - If it were in a position to do so, Al Qaeda would use Pakistan's nuclear weapons in its fight against the United States, a top leader of the group said in remarks aired Sunday.

Pakistan has been battling al Qaeda's Taliban allies in the Swat Valley since April after their thrust into a district 100 km (60 miles) northwest of the capital raised fears the nuclear-armed country could slowly slip into militant hands.

"God willing, the nuclear weapons will not fall into the hands of the Americans and the mujahideen would take them and use them against the Americans," Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, the leader of al Qaeda's in Afghanistan, said in an interview with Al Jazeera television.

Abu al-Yazid was responding to a question about U.S. safeguards to seize control over Pakistan's nuclear weapons in case Islamist fighters came close to doing so.

"We expect that the Pakistani army would be defeated (in Swat) ... and that would be its end everywhere, God willing."

Asked about the group's plans, the Egyptian militant leader said: "The strategy of the (al Qaeda) organization in the coming period is the same as in the previous period: to hit the head of the snake, the head of tyranny -- the United States.

"That can be achieved through continued work on the open fronts and also by opening new fronts in a manner that achieves the interests of Islam and Muslims and by increasing military operations that drain the enemy financially."

The militant leader suggested that naming a new leader for the group's unit in the Arabian Peninsula, Abu Basir al-Wahayshi, could revive its campaign in Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter.

"Our goals have been the Americans ... and the oil targets which they are stealing to gain power to strike the mujahideen and Muslims."

"There was a setback in work there for reasons that there is no room to state now, but as of late, efforts have been united and there is unity around a single leader."

Abu al-Yazid, also known as Abu Saeed al-Masri, said al Qaeda will continue "with large scale operations against the enemy" -- by which he meant the United States.

"We have demanded and we demand that all branches of al Qaeda carry out such operations," he said, referring to attacks against U.S.-led forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The militant leader said al Qaeda would be willing to accept a truce of about 10 years' duration with the United States if Washington agreed to withdraw its troops from Muslim countries and stopped backing Israel and the pro-Western governments of Muslim nations.

Asked about the whereabouts of al Qaeda's top leaders, he said: "Praise God, sheikh Osama (bin Laden) and sheikh Ayman al-Zawahri are safe from the reach of the enemies, but we would not say where they are; moreover, we do not know where they are, but we're in continuous contact with them."


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#142 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 11:15:30 AM(UTC)
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its kinda like the evil boss dude giving away his dastardly plans to the "goodguy"... except he isnt going to escape and stop him..
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#143 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:49:58 AM(UTC)
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Ed, I saw that article as well and it reminded me of Yada commenting in the Yada Radio program of his prediction made in the fall of 2001 that the result of US action in Afghanistan would be to move AQ and the Taliban to Pakistan. In so doing the government of Pakistan become distablized and would fall. Aslo that AQ would then use Pakistan's nuclear weapons on American cities. I recall on another occassion he suspected the method of delivery would not be by missile or bomber, but instead by sailing vessels into American harbors and detonating them there.

Would it be selfish to say if this does occur, I'd hope for it to be a post-Rapture Taru'ah harvest event?
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#144 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:30:09 AM(UTC)
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Theophilus wrote:
AQ would then use Pakistan's nuclear weapons on American cities. I recall on another occassion he suspected the method of delivery would not be by missile or bomber, but instead by sailing vessels into American harbors and detonating them there.


As my Brother Theophilus knows; getting a nuke to work properly is a difficult task, and most of AQ's minions are not exactly nuclear physicists... Therefore the chances of AQ getting a Paki-built device to actually go super-critical inside a US city* or harbor are pretty low. A "fizzle" is much more likely, spewing radioactive material around a small area. The real bad stuff will happen when the Whomever Is In The Whitehouse strikes back. Then the dogs of war will be unleashed.

The US reaction to Islamic attacks is always more destructive than the actual attack.

9/11: about 3,000 killed
War on Terror: 4,000+ US Citizens & Warriors killed and no less than 30,000 Iraqis killed


I would expect to see destruction in the same (or greater) proportions, even if the device failed to operate properly.

On the other hand, an event like this could cause the US and A to go into such a tailspin that we are completely marginalized as a world power. This might be why The Red, White, and Blue doesn't really seem to show up in eschatological prophecy.



* my money is on a device being shipped to Mexico, driven across the border in an 18-wheeler, then east on I-10 to Atlanta or west on I-10 to Los Angeles. Or both.
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#145 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:17:10 PM(UTC)
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edStueart wrote:
As my Brother Theophilus knows; getting a nuke to work properly is a difficult task, and most of AQ's minions are not exactly nuclear physicists... Therefore the chances of AQ getting a Paki-built device to actually go super-critical inside a US city* or harbor are pretty low. A "fizzle" is much more likely, spewing radioactive material around a small area. The real bad stuff will happen when the Whomever Is In The Whitehouse strikes back. Then the dogs of war will be unleashed.


You make a number of good points Ed my Brother. I marvel that the US created a number of these then primitive 20+ kT air dropped A-bombs, almost 64 years ago and that North Korea and Iran are just getting there now. Maybe it would take some hired or allied know how to aide AQ in making such weapons go super-critical? While I suspect that it would take many such hits to actually destroy the USA, I don't think that it would take many to terrorize the American people into demanding massive retaliation or crippling our economy.

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The US reaction to Islamic attacks is always more destructive than the actual attack.

9/11: about 3,000 killed
War on Terror: 4,000+ US Citizens & Warriors killed and no less than 30,000 Iraqis killed


Ed, would you say that the US reaction to the Japanese sneak was similarly more destructive than their actual Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, Philippines attacks? I suppose that at least in that conflict a disproportionate response against an identified and denounced ideology and enemy power ended a global war and made allies of a former fanatical foe. Maybe there is a lesson there at least in being able to identify, name and denounce an enemy and the ideology which makes either victory, death or submission the only possible outcomes?

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I would expect to see destruction in the same (or greater) proportions, even if the device failed to operate properly.
I'd expect that from most US Presidents and Congresses also.
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#146 Posted : Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:02:46 PM(UTC)
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Theophilus wrote:
While I suspect that it would take many such hits to actually destroy the USA, I don't think that it would take many to terrorize the American people into demanding massive retaliation or crippling our economy.


I think any non-zero number of devices would 'destroy' the USA.

The stupid Americans would demand a massive retaliation and cripple the economy.

Look at last week's mass hysteria regarding billeting the former Club Gitmo guests 'on US soil'.

This nation is now governed by 'weak minded old women of both sexes'. (Churchill?)


Theophilus wrote:

Ed, would you say that the US reaction to the Japanese sneak was similarly more destructive than their actual Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, Philippines attacks?


Yes.

(There, I said it!)

Tojo's (not Hirohito) goal in the winter of 1941 was to cripple the US Navy's ability to interfere with the expansion of "The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". (Their conquest of Manchuria, Korea and Indochina.) They were not trying to invade the US mainland. They wanted to shut down the advanced naval bases with the ability to dispatch squadrons of warships that would interdict the flow of steel and oil into the home islands.

In my mind, the question is 'How should the US have conducted itself in the second half of 1941, if, say, ummm, Jesus could see what we were up to?'
(Oh, wait, He was watching! Adm Kimmel, Gen. Short and FDR will have to give account for their actions and be judged for them.)

1) A good case for self-defense can be made from the scriptures, even on a national level. If the battleships and AAC squadrons had been out patrolling that weekend, things would have gone differently.

2) If you (or your country) gets sucker punched (Sept 11, Dec 7, etc.), it is legitimate to be on your guard and be ready to beat back another attack. I cannot find justification for making war beyond my borders (personally or nationally) in my Bible. Can you?

On December 8th, FDR, Knox, Stimpson, Short and Kimmel should have been given a fair trial, then immediately strung up from the yardarm as punishment for their treasonous conduct and/or dereliction of duty. I cannot find scriptural justification for the actions by the US that ended with the firebombing of Tokyo and Yokohama (much more destructive than the nuclear bombing campaign).

To take a verse out of context, I think the US&A would have been better off if we had 'turned the other cheek' after the sneak attacks (12/7 and 9/11) and focused upon self-defense rather than killing millions of people. An unpopular position, to be sure, but I do believe that I have 'earned the right to be heard' on this issue, as you have, my Brother. (Theophilus is a veteran, so you slimey-civilians are to give him his due!)

To bring this back on topic, I'd like to put forth the idea that we would have done better in Iraq if, instead of sending in the US Army, we sent in the Salvation Army. (With a Marine Corps escort!)

The "War on Terror"? That sort of thing is best handled by Mitch Rapp and Christians In Action. (Yada described a good plan in POD.)
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#147 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:17:14 PM(UTC)
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Shalom,

Ed, I understand where you are coming from, and to an extent I agree with what you said about FDR's team re dereliction of duty pre-Dec 7 1941. However, I also think that if Japan and Germany was left alone the USA would not be here to day as the Axis empires would have linked up in greater measure and conquered the globe in the space of a short few years.

The Far East has a tremendous amount of resources and if it was solely under Japan's control, and with their industrial output they would have churned up so much stuff for conventional warfare that everyone else would be outgunned. Few people also know of the atomic/nuclear projects the Japanese conducted in Korea, and that it is suspected they were actually the first to carry out an atomic bomb test, although much smaller that the Manhattan project's bombs.

Nonetheless, it is known that Russia went nuclear because of the technology they took from the Japanese labs in Korea, and that North Korea possesses nuclear technology today because of what the Japanese did in the 1930s-40s on their land, and that they shipped some atomic fuel to Germany in a U-boat that was, thankfully, sunk before it reached the Fuhrer's labs.

Be that as it may, if we had left them alone the rise of the Islamic horde would not have happened. We were dealing with over-ambitious men back then; today we deal with insane kooks who are willing to sacrifice the whole world for their blood-thirsty god. Perhaps we should have given the Japanese a walkover... onsens and sushi are not too bad.
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#148 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:12:06 AM(UTC)
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I’m thinking that this would make a good topic on its own in some other folder but I’m unsure just how to move it or even to which one it rightfully belongs in?

I've been re-assessing my own thoughts on when military action is justified and when it is not. When I was in growing up in the late Cold War, seeking peace through deterrent strength made good sense to me and was preferable to open war or capitulation to totalitarianism. After listening to you Ed, KP, Yada and others I’ve been re-examining my thoughts on this subject and whether America remains a place and idea worth fighting for or as we continue to slide, even worth supporting.

I conclude that Scripturally speaking, war is never a moral “good” but is only acceptable because we live in an fallen world in which rulers frequently don't heed the better angels of our nature and instead seek conquest for selfish motives. I also struggle with the instruction to love our enemies, but recognize that along with that is an instruction to love my wife and son and to love my neighbors. When I balance these instructions, I find that when attacked by an enemy, it would be appropriate to use force sufficient to subdue an attacker and protect my family and neighbors. I'd take the love your enemies instruction to in addition to praying for them to change heart, to once subdued to seek a just peace in which you communicate the reasons where the conflict arose and to seek means of getting along in the future.

Ed, I’m trying to understand how applying your military philosophy would’ve looked in WW-II. In the case of the Pacific, I gather that US policy of expressing our disapproval with Japan's aggression in Asia via trade sanctions helped Japan decide to make it not worth America's effort to prevent them from taking what they needed to complete their Asian and Pacific conquests. I'm unclear how turning the other cheek would've looked post December 7th? Clearly fighting towards absolute victory as FDR advised would be out of the question. You’d have advised against the US fighting alongside of Allies to liberate the peoples and territories invaded by Japan such as Guam, Wake, the Philippines, the Dutch East Indies, Indo-China, Singapore, etc and focus on ConUS defense exclusively?

In Europe, if Stalin were to have applied the defense doctrine that your describing the Red Army should have fought up to but not beyond the 1940 Soviet frontier and seek whatever terms the Reich offered to cease fighting and leave Hitler whatever conquests held beyond? I suppose the Russians would then need to hope that the Reich would change political doctrines or not come back for another round should they gain a military advantage.

Ed, please know that I respect your service and your wisdom. I’m not telling you that I think that you’re wrong, but I remain unclear as to how the doctrine you propose would’ve worked out and if subduing the Axis via unconditional surrenders was indeed worse than keeping them around with whatever gains their power allowed them to retain. For my part, I preferred serving alongside the West Germans as Allies deterring Soviet invasion rather than monitoring the Germans as Nazis occupying Europe which seems the outcome of your prescriptions.

Please correct me if I misunderstand you.
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#149 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:23:20 AM(UTC)
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Shalom,

Ed, I understand where you are coming from, and to an extent I agree with what you said about FDR's team re dereliction of duty pre-Dec 7 1941. However, I also think that if Japan and Germany was left alone the USA would not be here to day as the Axis empires would have linked up in greater measure and conquered the globe in the space of a short few years.

The Far East has a tremendous amount of resources and if it was solely under Japan's control, and with their industrial output they would have churned up so much stuff for conventional warfare that everyone else would be outgunned. Few people also know of the atomic/nuclear projects the Japanese conducted in Korea, and that it is suspected they were actually the first to carry out an atomic bomb test, although much smaller that the Manhattan project's bombs.

Nonetheless, it is known that Russia went nuclear because of the technology they took from the Japanese labs in Korea, and that North Korea possesses nuclear technology today because of what the Japanese did in the 1930s-40s on their land, and that they shipped some atomic fuel to Germany in a U-boat that was, thankfully, sunk before it reached the Fuhrer's labs.

Be that as it may, if we had left them alone the rise of the Islamic horde would not have happened. We were dealing with over-ambitious men back then; today we deal with insane kooks who are willing to sacrifice the whole world for their blood-thirsty god. Perhaps we should have given the Japanese a walkover... onsens and sushi are not too bad.


Shalom Bitnet,

I think you're correct on the Far Easts resources. I don't know how well Japan and the Reich would've worked together, but understand that they each saught by conquest to become what the US and USSR did in fact become in defeating them, superpowers.

To become superpowers the Axis needed to obtain greater resources and labor than either began the conflict with. In Japan's case they needed minerals from Manchuria, petroleum from the Dutch East Indies and the labor of coastal China. The Reich needed the resources of Europe and the labor of Russia. It's a good bet that had either or both acheived their objectives, they would come back for any remaining potential threats like a rearmed but isolationist America as well.

As for fanaticism of cause, ceertainly AQ and the Jihadists have this, but noticed that the Kamikazis and Hitler Youth also served a poli-religious casue to the death even when surrender made more rational sense. Did you read the sections comparing My Jihad, I mean Mein Kampf with the Islamic Scriptures? I think Yada made a good case that their was much in common between these sources oriented at global totalitarian conquest.

I was unfamilar with your account of the Japanese atomic weapons program or Russia's advances as a result of obtaining some of it. I'd thought their sources inside the Manhattan project allowed the Soviets to produce their bomb in 1949.
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#150 Posted : Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:35:28 AM(UTC)
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Theophilus wrote:
I was unfamilar with your account of the Japanese atomic weapons program or Russia's advances as a result of obtaining some of it. I'd thought their sources inside the Manhattan project allowed the Soviets to produce their bomb in 1949.


They were only at the "back of the napkin" stage of building atomic weapons. They where waaaaaaay behind us. It has been surmised that the Ruski's main derived benefit from the Japanese research was in learning what path not to follow.

The USSR would not have had da' Bomb without the Manhattan Project.

The Japanese did have a fruitful biological weapons program.
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