logo
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
View
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline bitnet  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 5:44:58 AM(UTC)
bitnet
Joined: 7/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,120

Shalom All,

I wonder how may of us wonder what it would take to rebuild the world in the coming Millenium. I for one sometimes find my mind wondering:
- what will the extent of the damage be?
- how it will the infrastructure be repaired?
- who repairs the world?
- will the world start a new limited dependency on fossil fuels while seeking new sources for energy
- will buildings be built tall again?
- who controls the newspapers?
- will we have an Internet?
- will there be television?
- will there be fixed and mobile telephone services?
- will there be software monopolies?
- will the tobacco companies be shattered and made history forever?
- what happens to healthcare and big pharma?
- will insurance companies be made redundant?
- will the priests of Zadok and the other Levites get fed-up of burnt offerings?
- who will own the satellites?
- will national boundaries other than Yisra'el's be redrawn?
- how do people get to Yisra'el if the transportation infrastructure is fractured and messed up?
- what about movies and theatre?
- will idolising celebrities come to a screeching halt?
- who builds the Temple and how long will it take?
- where will Yahushua go to after touching down on Mt Olivet if there is no Temple?
- can survivors really get to see Yahushua without going blind?
- how do the resurrected elect get involved in all of this work?
- where shall the resurrected stay?
- will we be posted to countries around the world?
- what will our dwelling be where stay and administer?
- will genetically modified crops be uprooted?
- what happens to big agri?
- will we start with a Jubilee year where all debts are cancelled and all ownership reverts back to Yahushua?

There are many, many more questions but it all seems so far away, and we are so concerned on the here and now that I sometimes feel foolish to think about these things. Are there others asking these same questions?

Peace and Blessings!
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
Offline gammafighter  
#2 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 8:34:41 AM(UTC)
gammafighter
Joined: 11/6/2007(UTC)
Posts: 114
Man
Location: Hilo, Hawaii

I think there will be a Temple. Isn't that a part of Revelation?
Everything else... i'm sure Yahshua will handle it :P
Offline kp  
#3 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 8:52:05 AM(UTC)
kp
Joined: 6/28/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,030
Location: Palmyra, VA

Food for thought, bitnet. Interesting questions---and stuff I didn't deal with in FH for the most part because there's too much speculation involved to be appropriate in that work. I've come to the conclusion that King Yahshua isn't going to throw out the baby with the bathwater and take us back to the stone age, merely because we've misued our gifts in the past. (That's something Islam would do: look at the Taliban.) Technology (as a fundamental entity) is spiritually neutral: it's how we used it that is either good or bad. The internet, for example, can be used to disseminate pornography and the plans for making bombs, or it can be used to glorify Yahweh and share knowledge and insight about Him---like here on the YY forum. So in Yahshua's kingdom, there's no reason it couldn't be kept, used, and developed even further, but its use in satan's cause would have to be outlawed. The same would be true of any communication technology: print, radio, television, film. It will help, of course, that at least in the beginning of the Millennium, every person on earth will be a believer, a child of the King---we will all have the same heart, the same agenda.

On a more basic level, energy production (since I can't see Yahshua taking us back to a pre-electricity state of affairs) will be expanded, developed, and fine-tuned, if not revolutionized. Gone will be the greed that drives the industry today, replaced with a new spirit of technological advancement driven by Love---the desire to improve the conditions of humanity. The health industry will change radically, for it will no longer be drug and surgery based, but holistic---based upon respect for the way Yahweh designed our bodies. Healing will, quite literally, flow from Zion, moving the world inexhorably toward the state described in Revelation 22:2. The insurance industry will disappear. Hunger and drought will be a thing of the past, not because of an ongoing miracle on Yahshua's part, but simply because with the curse of disobedience lifted, we will finally enjoy God's blessings as He always intended. Man will no longer squander his resources on war, but will enjoy the fruit of his own labor without being taxed to death.

Our creative energies (because they derive from the way we're built--i.e., in the image of God) will (I believe) be given full reign during the Millennium. The Millennial mortals will do the "work" of rebuilding the earth's infrastructure, but the work will be so productive and rewarding, it will hardly seem laborious, certainly not drudgery. Work, in a perfect world, is where the fun is. And the immortals, the resurrected "saints" of the present age? We (I think) will be the mentors, the counselors, the elder statesmen of the new world. If we're to be "kings and priests," then we'll have access to Yahshua, and authority/influence over the mortal masses. I know I'm beyond speculation here, but I can (almost) envision a scenario where we go before the King and say, "Joe, this engineer in Dayton, Ohio, is trying to get a handle on this geothermal energy thing, but he's stuck on this one problem..." And Yahshua will smile, nod, and say, "Tell him to try this..." After all, the Inventor of electrons and gravity and the laws of thermodynamics surely has a better handle on how to use them than we do.

kp
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#4 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 9:08:11 AM(UTC)
Robskiwarrior
Joined: 7/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,470
Man
Location: England

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
Well im getting quite good at signage now :)
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline bitnet  
#5 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 4:08:55 PM(UTC)
bitnet
Joined: 7/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,120

Shalom,

Thanks KP but I should have put in the timeline... all these questions pertain to the first 3 months! Everything is in chaos and I wonder how it will be sorted out. Stock markets will have crashed and burned, shares are worth nothing, companies are bankrupt so employment is zilch and money is worthless since Babylon is fallen. How will people trade? Who will feed them? Heal them of their injuries, etc.? I know the Temple will be built, but physically by whom? Will resurrected engineers be tasked with it or will Yahushua simply snap His fingers and it is done so that it is not of human hands? I know we can get Robski to put up the signs from all over the world pointing to the Temple along with the No Smoking signs, but who's gonna fly the planes, drive the trains, make the bookings, sell the tickets? Will there be enough infrastructure left with all those tectonic upheavals and tsunamis? The first thing that most people will do is to gather strength and move to places with food and shelter. I suppose that's what we'll be doing at first, bringing them out to safe zones to feed and heal them. That'll be the be biggest task of all as Katrina has revealed what it's like to try and save a desperate but stiff-necked population from just one city! Then we'll have to start looking at ways to bring them to new populations centers. Will we bring people back to the Mid-East first and then rebuild as we go outwards or re-develop the old cities where they once stood? Crisis centers, communication centers, food depots, etc. all have to be established first. And in the midst of all this during the first few days, I suppose there is no Temple yet as the world is a wreck and Yahushua has just set foot on the earth again. I doubt He'll want to go build a Temple when He's out there busy instructing His saints and angels on how to administer to the people in the first few days. The Temple really isn't for Him but for mankind again. I don't think we will dwell much on this but it's just something that I think about sometimes.

Shalom Aleichem
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#6 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2008 10:08:07 PM(UTC)
Robskiwarrior
Joined: 7/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,470
Man
Location: England

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
I suppose the problem is, we don't know. But that's more exciting :) I always thought Yahushua would sort out the most of it tbh.
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline kp  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:40:56 AM(UTC)
kp
Joined: 6/28/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,030
Location: Palmyra, VA

The first three months, bitnet? Let's see...I'm reasonably certain King Yahshua isn't going to let any of His people starve to death while things are getting sorted out after the Tribulation. And the timeline as revealed in Daniel suggests that the first 45 days---half of your focus window---will be spent (by Yahshua) separating the sheep from the goats, one quadraped at a time. So who's supposed to take care of the displaced millions? My guess is that we---the resurrected, raptured saints, now in our unfettered, immortal bodies, will be tasked with "making it happen." Like on the shores of Galilee, it'll be our job to figure out where we can get a few loaves and fishes, bring them to the Master for "blessing" and then distribute them to the survivors. If nothing else, it would establish our credentials as "kings and priests" under Yahshua in the minds of the mortal population. Let's face it: they're going to have a pretty steep learning curve here. Thanks for the bread, stranger. WHO did you say you were again?

kp
Offline Heretic Steve  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:55:18 AM(UTC)
Heretic Steve
Joined: 9/26/2007(UTC)
Posts: 258
Location: ohio

I'm skeptical that there'll be tech such as in communication and energy that we know today. Why would we need it? We got by fine for thousands of years without it and tech expedites/enables violence/warfare. If water, sunshine, and draft animals are available in combo with Yah eliminating crop damage via insect pests/fungus and providing proper tilling, planting, growing, and harvest weather, then with proper nutrition everything else would fall into place.
I've got the distinct impression that Adam/Chawah got by just fine without satnav/tv, and utility bills.
As for the time interval before the first harvest? Who provided Israel the first time around?

I will have to admit that fishing with nets won't be nearly as much fun as casting, or trolling.
If not us, who? If not now, when?
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:53:08 AM(UTC)
Robskiwarrior
Joined: 7/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,470
Man
Location: England

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
But Steve... how will we survive without the INTERWEB!!! :O :O :O ;)
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline kp  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:25:06 AM(UTC)
kp
Joined: 6/28/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,030
Location: Palmyra, VA

I beg to good-naturedly differ, Steve. Cain didn't need technologically advanced weapons to kill his brother---all he needed was a rock and a bad attitude. The historian Will Durant calculated that there have been only 242 years without open warfare since the dawn of recorded history. Like I said, technology is spiritually neutral. I'll bet Adam would have given a lot for a good tractor the first year after he got kicked out of Eden. Also, we didn't see Yahshua fighting against any "modern" developments in the first century---stuff like Roman concrete or aquaducts. I guess my point is, we would be no more holy without the modern conveniences than we are with them.

Perhaps a distinction should be drawn between the two populations of the Millennium, though. The mortals will definitely be better off with tools like electricity and internal combustion engines. As long as mortal humans walk the earth, they'll "eat bread in the sweat of their face." Why would King Yahshua make things harder just to make 'em harder? But we immortals wouldn't miss them at all, I expect---at least if our resurrection bodies are anything like Yahshua's was.

kp
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:50:53 PM(UTC)
Robskiwarrior
Joined: 7/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,470
Man
Location: England

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
Swalchy wrote:


I'm really excited to see how cool it is to erm, "teleport," the way Yahushua does.

Any game of hide and seek would be incredibly hard to win, lol.


Yahuweh isn't allowed to play though... coz He can see us wherever we hide... that's just not cricket.
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline shalom82  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:17:43 PM(UTC)
shalom82
Joined: 9/10/2007(UTC)
Posts: 735
Location: Penna

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
This is going to sound so ridiculous but...anyway...I am very curious about Millenial clothing and fashion.
YHWH's ordinances are true, and righteous altogether.
Offline Heretic Steve  
#13 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:23:12 AM(UTC)
Heretic Steve
Joined: 9/26/2007(UTC)
Posts: 258
Location: ohio

"I beg to good-naturedly differ, Steve. Cain didn't need technologically advanced weapons to kill his brother---all he needed was a rock and a bad attitude. The historian Will Durant calculated that there have been only 242 years without open warfare since the dawn of recorded history. Like I said, technology is spiritually neutral. I'll bet Adam would have given a lot for a good tractor the first year after he got kicked out of Eden. Also, we didn't see Yahshua fighting against any "modern" developments in the first century---stuff like Roman concrete or aquaducts. I guess my point is, we would be no more holy without the modern conveniences than we are with them."

Sounds good... Maybe I would'nt have to cough up the boat/motor after all. There's definitely something about trolling on Lake Erie, seein' that sonar light up with a school of about a zillion walleyes and watchin' those rods bow. Fish on! Yeehaaa...

As everybody has probably gathered by now, I'm a fanatical fisher. As an aside, I heard that 4 of the apostles were fishers and having been caught on Erie during a storm in a small boat, I can appreciate where they were coming from during that storm they experienced as conveyed in scrip, (the one when Yahushua was sleeping). I wonder what it was about fishers that seemed to appeal to Yahushua seein' as how a third of His shock troops, so to speak, were fishers.

Btw, KP. I appreciate your thoughtfullness, but no need to qualify your posts with a "good-naturedly". As far as I'm concerned, all your posts are good-natured, (with the possible exceptions being those addressed to Islam). Hahahaha....

If not us, who? If not now, when?
Offline kp  
#14 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:50:27 AM(UTC)
kp
Joined: 6/28/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,030
Location: Palmyra, VA

Good news, Steve: If Yahshua's rez body is any indication, fish will still be on the menu for us immortals in the Millennium (Luke 24:42). I'm just not sure if we're gonna need a boat to catch 'em.

kp
Offline bitnet  
#15 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:31:44 PM(UTC)
bitnet
Joined: 7/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,120

No boat necessary... but where are we gonna put the fish? We'll go, "Here fishy, fishy, fishy... jump into the basket..." and then... transport the basket? What about those verses about the lion lying down with the lamb? Does this mean everyone has gone vegan? Then what do we do with the fish we've caught? "Bye fishy, fishy, fishy..." Sigh! But I bet Steve wants the challenge of the bait... the flick of the wrist and the cast of the hook sailing through the air...
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
Offline Mike_Browell  
#16 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:21:33 PM(UTC)
Mike_Browell
Joined: 1/19/2008(UTC)
Posts: 51
Man
Location: British Columbia, Canada

Peace Steve,

May The Might One Yahweh our Dad, Magnificent and Wise lift a burden from your shoulders. I think one reason fishers were picked most was partly due to abundance (on the shores of the sea of gaililee), the symbolism of fishing for men, and the humility of those in such a trade (Usually). I in no way back these statements as true simply opinion. Hope that gets the gears turnin'.

Your Loving Brother,
Michael Browell
Offline Matthew  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:37:00 PM(UTC)
Matthew
Joined: 10/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,191
Man
Location: São Paulo, Brazil

Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)
I've wondered about this topic before and quite enjoy wondering about what He has prepared for those who love Him.

My guess with fishing is that it will still be on the menu, simply because there are a few verses concerning fishing. And what about money, would there still be money, one currency determined by Biblical standards, for example shekels? It would give mortals the ability to have some perspective on the verse "for the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." It would also allow them to determine valuation of property, people and other scenarios, such as the many precepts mentioned in the Torah.

Will the earth be replenished, or will the earth still suffer the consequences of what mankind has done already, and will be doing soon, to the earth? Maybe the earth's condition will give mortal man some perspective of the damages that can be done if not heeding Yah's Word. I'm sure Yahshua will allow healing to flow but do you think He will negate the damages caused by the nuclear war, for example nuclear radiation over the blast areas?

I sure hope most animals of today, that are close to extinction, do not become extinct during the Tribulation, for instance the tiger, whales, and polar bears.

My mates are active surfers and they were quite distraught when the discovered that after the Millennium Yahweh will create a new heaven and new earth, an earth without a sea, as mentioned in Revelation 21:1. I hardly surf anymore, as I try focus more on my relationship with Yahweh, and I was hoping to be able to keep this pleasure in the Millennium. My focus today is to store up treasures for the future, Matthew 6:19-24.
Offline shalom82  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:25:51 PM(UTC)
shalom82
Joined: 9/10/2007(UTC)
Posts: 735
Location: Penna

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
If I can plant trees....be like some kind of immortal gardener and teach people who used to be bankers and lawyers to plant their own vines and fig trees...so they can promptly sit under them...that would be great...I would be happy...but let YHWH's will be done.
YHWH's ordinances are true, and righteous altogether.
Offline Matthew  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:28:15 AM(UTC)
Matthew
Joined: 10/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,191
Man
Location: São Paulo, Brazil

Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 2 post(s)
To get the party started again!

Isaiah 65:17-25 (NIV) wrote:


New Heavens and a New Earth

17 "Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.

19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.

20 "Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
he who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere youth;
he who fails to reach [a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.

21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the works of their hands.

23 They will not toil in vain
or bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
they and their descendants with them.

24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
but dust will be the serpent's food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,"
says the LORD.


I'm confused, how do verse 20-25 fit into this? I thought this was referring to the 7th Millennium and not the New Heaven and New Earth.
Offline bitnet  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:38:59 AM(UTC)
bitnet
Joined: 7/3/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,120

It's going to be in the next millennium and it fits in very well. Aye, that'll be the day... that'll be the day we all look forward to. May it be so! HalleluYah!
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:45:03 PM(UTC)
Robskiwarrior
Joined: 7/4/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,470
Man
Location: England

Was thanked: 1 time(s) in 1 post(s)
bitnet wrote:
May it be so!


May it be tomorrow please!!!!

ahh well not as long as it was yesturday...
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline Bubsy  
#22 Posted : Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:04:42 AM(UTC)
Bubsy
Joined: 1/2/2014(UTC)
Posts: 122
Man
Location: Los Angeles

Thanks: 2 times
Was thanked: 22 time(s) in 19 post(s)
bitnet wrote:
Shalom All,

I wonder how may of us wonder what it would take to rebuild the world in the coming Millenium. I for one sometimes find my mind wondering:
- what will the extent of the damage be?
- how it will the infrastructure be repaired?
- who repairs the world?
- will the world start a new limited dependency on fossil fuels while seeking new sources for energy
- will buildings be built tall again?
- who controls the newspapers?
- will we have an Internet?
- will there be television?
- will there be fixed and mobile telephone services?
- will there be software monopolies?
- will the tobacco companies be shattered and made history forever?
- what happens to healthcare and big pharma?
- will insurance companies be made redundant?
- will the priests of Zadok and the other Levites get fed-up of burnt offerings?
- who will own the satellites?
- will national boundaries other than Yisra'el's be redrawn?
- how do people get to Yisra'el if the transportation infrastructure is fractured and messed up?
- what about movies and theatre?
- will idolising celebrities come to a screeching halt?
- who builds the Temple and how long will it take?
- where will Yahushua go to after touching down on Mt Olivet if there is no Temple?
- can survivors really get to see Yahushua without going blind?
- how do the resurrected elect get involved in all of this work?
- where shall the resurrected stay?
- will we be posted to countries around the world?
- what will our dwelling be where stay and administer?
- will genetically modified crops be uprooted?
- what happens to big agri?
- will we start with a Jubilee year where all debts are cancelled and all ownership reverts back to Yahushua?

There are many, many more questions but it all seems so far away, and we are so concerned on the here and now that I sometimes feel foolish to think about these things. Are there others asking these same questions?

Peace and Blessings!


I've wondered about what mortal life would be like in the Millennial Sabbath as well. Would there be industry, making machines? The agricultural technology would certainly be very handy in creating a super-abundance of food, and with abundant food, I'm sure there would be no need for genetically modified crops. Would there be electricity, and what kind? Would man still have to mine for coal, drill for oil, and mine for uranium and build power plants for electrical power (and would the machines and electrical power have to be shut down every Seventh Day for a Sabbath rest as well?), or would Yahowah eliminate the need for that by supplying electrical power? After all, light and electricity are both forms of energy - Plug into God! LOL ("Excuse me, Yahowsha, may I plug my refrigerator into you? I realize you may be a bit sensitive about having things stuck into you, but I'd really hate to have my leftover BBQ beef ribs spoil and go to waste…" BigGrin ) If all the Earth is restored to conditions of the Garden of Eden, then air conditioning, and space heating and cooling devices would become mostly obsolete. I'm guessing the names of the days we currently use - "Sun-day", "Moon-day", "Tiu's day", "Woton's day", "Thor's day", "Freya's day", and "Saturn's day" - will have to go, probably replaced by numbered days. I suppose a lot of movies, television shows, video games, books, newspapers, and other entertainment will be carefully reviewed, and depending on content, either allowed to continue to exist, or ordered destroyed. I imagine that trade would start out with barter and work its way back to gold and silver coins, if there isn't already a handy stash of gold and silver coins. And since the Millennial Sabbath starts in a Yobel/Jubilee year, I'm sure everyone will start out with all debts cancelled (any creditors they had are likely all dead anyway). As for health care, probably a visit to Yahowsha for the healing touch could cure even the most serious ailments, just like during his redemptive advent, so drug makers would likely be rendered redundant and obsolete. Insurance probably would be obsolete, too. I wouldn't imagine there would be many, if any risks in the Earthly Kingdom of Yahowah to insure against - if I recall right, Scripture says that there won't be any more earthquakes or destructive storms in the Millennial Sabbath, and it will be a nice, calm millennium. And there will probably be some stores of airplane fuel and intact civilian airplanes to get over to Yisra'el, for those outside. Or ships could be built once again to travel by sea.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.
Ha Shem? I'm kind of fond of Ha Shemp, Ha Larry, and Ha Moe myself. And the earlier shorts with Ha Curly.
Users browsing this topic
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.