OK, OK, I get it this string is to hard so lets start with this question...

Is it Ethical Decalogue rather than the Ritual Decalogue or both???

FF

Shalom FF,

Great topic. I had hoped kp would start this one out and to my happiness, he did. I think I have to be careful not to extrapolate or stretch the word, but I will take the invitation by kp and stab at a couple of the commandments.

Do not murder. Obviously, this commandment has a very practical side...that I don't think we need to go into much. But it would be better to murder a person in a physical sense...to end their temporal lives than to murder them spiritually. Moshe and Dawid were both murderers...but they both emerged from their sordid pasts in one way or another. Physical murder even though it is heinous is forgivable...and not the worst of sins. I am not so sure about spiritual murder. To condemn a person to oblivion or torment is heavy. Let's see how you fare on YHWH's scales of justice. Shaul played his part in murdering the Qodeshim...in that regard was the chief of sinners, but he only killed their temporary vessels...not their souls.

Do not covet. As we see from this commandment we are not to covet anything our neighbor possesses. For Yisrael this meant their next door neighbors but could it have also meant their national neighbors as well? Don't covet your neighbor's wife...perhaps a spiritual allusion considering that marital adultery was a spiritual picture of committing adultery against YHWH. But we are not to covet anything of theirs. Their homes, their vinyards, their animals...and so on and so forth. Once you begin to covet things of another people group you get sucked in. You always see those shows on discovery channel where some American is learning some martial art from an Asian...say a Japanese...and they swallow all the buddhist aspects hook line and sinker. "Boy, these Moabites sure do know how to grow grapes!...maybe there is something to this Ba'al Peor!" We are not to covet their idols, their fesivals, their feasts, their delicacies, their rituals, their convocations....nothing.

Incidentally, Jews in recent history have had a terrible time dealing with their children when it comes to Christmas. This is a time when (in the diaspora) the world is a whore to the perspective of a child. Everything is about them and for them. How could a child not covet Christmas? There's the beauty, the glitz, the excess, the presents, the sweets! This has led to the christmasizing of Hanukkah....now there are Hanukkah bushes, big blow up Hanukkiyahs for the front yard, eight days of gifts...most of this has been modified to compete with Christmas. Hanukkah was a memorial festival that though exceedingly joyful was also filled with profound sadness and gravity...as it is with most of the Jewish memorials and even some of the Miqrym. Now it is the festival of lights! Goodwill to all men and peace on earth...religious tolerance....blah blah blah...

Now that is not to say that the commandment completely rejects foreigners. But, a foreigner has to come in on YHWH's terms. Ruth the Moabitess is one of the precedents for what I mean. Was that to say that Ruth didn't make a bit of Moabite cuisine for Boaz every now and then...perhaps...as long as it was scriptually clean...and Boaz probably said....mmm...this is good, woman. YHWH has blessed me with a smokin' hot lover and a gourmet chef all in one pretty package"...he didn't say...Wowo, Ruth, you're a beauty and this Moab food is da bomb...there's something to this Molech/Chemosh for you to be blessed like this...tell you what...I bet you miss home...let's set up an idol in the living room....or for that matter Boaz's neighbor looking upon Boaz's life and deciding that the Moabite way was for him...going and getting an idol worshipping wife and living it up like a Moabite...based on his desire for all things Moab.

YHWH bless you

Shalom

WOW, thank you for wading in KP, shalom and bitnet... Any one want to jump in to the River... only a suggestion???

Putting Yahweh back in the wording of the suggestions opens the door for thinking maybe they are Commandments.

Commandment that do not save but are good for you in practical and maybe even more symbolic to peoples new found relationship with knowing Yahweh the Mighty One Yahushua and being His Called Out or out called, set-apart Messianic Anointed.

Working for and with Dad was a very good choice.

FF

Well Shalom everyone,
I'll try to fill in what i think of the Ten Commandments. One thing i learnt is that Yahweh does not explain some things to man but it takes Wisdom to understand what He meant. Take an example; Do not steal! It means if you steal, from your neighbor,then you will not have peace around you causing your neighbor to do harm on you. But that Yahweh never explained. So the Devil will cause your neighbor as an instrument of attack on you. Now when Yahushua said keeping grudge in your heart is equivalent to murder, it is meant for us to guard our hearts that Satan will not enter our hearts, to cause us to do the bigger thing of murdering others. You know for some one to do something evil, big enough, he starts with simple ideas from the devil, and later as Satan gains ground in one's heart to cause visible signs of sin.
However these can also apply to the Spiritual bit of it.
Shalom to everyone

Greetings Most Beloved of Yah,

Well it is that time of year again and I am thinking about the TEN SUGGESTIONS again.

Thank you kp, shalom82, bitnet, Robskiwarrior and Ssospeter for posting the last time I ask this question…

Now that we all have a little more information and understanding let us re-address this subject a word at a time...

The reason I bring up this suggestion is that most of my christian friends ignore the first four Commandments as suggestions mostly because they do not really know Yahweh personally or Yahweh’s Name or Yahweh’s Salvations Name, Yahweh’s Word/Torah or Yahweh’s Sabbath. Speaking of being a christian, after 30+ years learning and teaching christendom I have repented/Metanoeo, changed my thinking and ask Yahweh to forgive all my christian practices that were an abomination to Him that I once practiced and said I did them in HIS Name, AMEN.

Of coarse I was church taught that Grace covered everything even if what I was taught did not make reasonable sense even though I was ask to believe the teaching whether it was or was only partly Scriptural or was very contradictory to Scripture. What I mean by this statement is some NT canonized books I found used snippets of the Torah but twisted the outcome of the text to please a religious or political or personal agenda????????

Personally I have noticed that researching the Ten Words in the English text usually has a human twist instead of Yah’s wisdom and understanding.

Now all that being said, should spark some interest in discussing this topic of The Ten Suggestions plus cause us all to stop and check our attitudes, opinions’, actions, and beliefs/Metanoeo???

Halleluyah, Thank you for replying in advance,

FF