Peace Everyone,
I'm not sure this is the place to post this, but I couldn't think of a better place. I'm a great lover of music and always have been, but I've been have a terrible time finding great music that is spiritually uplifting. I've always been a fan of Metal (Not of the Death or Black variety), and also complex rock (i.e., The Beatles). Because I can't find a suitable replacement I have been having a hard time distancing myself from fleshy music. So, if anyone has suggestions or just music that you enjoy post away, please.

Your Loving Brother,
Michael Browell

I just like music. . . period. Though, I do tend to prefer the same stuff as you Mike. It may not be intended to be spiritually uplifting, but I listen to it with the intent to get something spiritual out of it. Sure, there are some things I have to ignore, but generally I get something good out of it. Though, most of the time I just listen to the music, and not really the words.

I know that MZ probably sounds paranoid to many of you, but what he/she (sorry,not sure) says actually has a whole lot of truth to it. I read an expose on Sgt. Pepper and the Beatles and the Stones and their devotion to Satanism and Magick. The Beetles were indeed devotees of Crowley and Crowley is indeed present in the cutouts. But what is more shocking is that many of the other cutouts were also devotees of Satanism or Cultic orders. There was a cut out of Jane Mansfield, and every body thinks she was just a ditzy blonde bombshell, well actually she was a Priestess in the Church of Satan. Ms. Monroe is also on it and she is known to have dabbled in Satanism as well, and actually visited Anton Levay if I remember correctly. There are a couple of thugee gurus, several writers that were of communist sympathies, (Shaw) or who dabbled in the occult and spiritism (Poe), or who were hateful of God (Wilde). You will also find Marx in all his God hating, human worshipping infamy. Huxley, who experimented with somatic drugs was also there. I will be the first to admit that there are many people who are inconsequential and benign, such as Fred Astaire....as far as I know. But some people who didn't make the cut were Hitler Ghandhi, and a cutout of Jesus. These cutouts were people that the Beatles admited that they admired. How can you be an admirer of both Hitler and Yahushua? And people think that Ghandhi is so benign, and such a wonderful man...infact when he died...It was commented that the world had lost another Jesus. This man was no Yahushua. Nobody in the 20th century did more to confuse truth and set apartness. He mixed all the religions into a big bag and made it all Holy and good. People look to Gandhi like he is a Messiah and the ultimate expression of good, so they mimic his mishmashed sort of spiritualism and all roads lead to Rome attitude. Truth is not a state of mind....it is an absolute whether we can attain it or not. Whatever he did for his country is overshadowed by the kind of ideal of spiritual gobbledygook he has impressed upon this world. Hitler was evil and only the very deluded or the very evil themselves can't see that. It's very hard for people to realize that Gandhi thrust a sort of evil on the world. All you need to do is look at some of the Beatles lyrics and realize that they are cryptic messages. And of course there is the drug factor. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds...L.S.D. Sgt. Pepper was not only full of "Do what thou wilt", it was also a simulated LSD trip. There right infront of the album cover is a small representation of the Whore as well if you notice. There is a doll half sitting/laying on the right side. The Doll's dress has the words "Welcome, the Rolling Stones" on it. I don't even think that I have to get started on the Stones and Satanism. But just a few fun facts for you. Mick Jagger scored the epic Satanist film Lucifer Rising/Invocation to my Demon Brother, for his own Satanic Guru, Kenneth Anger...from the Process Church. How about the album Their Satanic Majesties Request This is just the tip of the iceberg...I was in a mosic store in China about a year ago and I hadn't been to basically any music stores in 2 years. I went to the international section and what did my eyes see except some of the most perverse, satanic, disgusting images I have seen in a long time. If that had been 3 years earlier and I had been my old jaded self... I probably wouldn't have batted an eye...but all this stuff...even imagry is like drugs...you can get it out of your system...and you can forget how truly disturbing the tastes of this world are when you are not exposed to it all the time.

I happen to listen to a lot of Matisyahu. It's Reggae without the pot and the Rastafarianism. He is a Hassid so you have to be careful sometimes because sometimes there are parts in the songs where he forces Hassidic thought down your throat...but some of his songs are wonderful. Chop em Down is a song about the Wilderness Wondering of Israel, and Candle is great. He urgently and desperately sings...We want Mashiach...We want Mashiach Now!....I know he doesn't believe that Yahushua is the Messiah...and it's a sad tragedy that So many Jewish Youth like him reject Messiah....but he speaks of a generation...nay...generations of Yahudim that desperately cry out for Messiah...and this generation...many of them will have the pleasant surprise of realizing who Messiah is...and realizing that he has come....back.

Robski, you have made some valid points, especially the point about hypocrisy. But I am not and for all I know MZ is not attacking Rock n Roll as an institution or as an artform as much as I am noticing and aknowledging a disturbing and factual trend that is present in rock n roll since the 1960's, as it pertains to a general overall trend and as it relates to specific bands. It is a fact that the Beatles and the Stones are arguably the most influential Rock bands in history and they were both involved with satanism, mysticism, and psychotropic drug induced altered states. What I really can't understand is that if we were talking about Rock and Roll and a Quranic Islamic influence that was present in that...there wouldn't even be any dissent but since they are rebelling against a hypocritical church and are "confused" then they are defensible. You are right that you must always be willing to reach out with love and be willing to "remove the plank the plank from your own eye" before you go out and bash people that could be in a delicate state of mind, but at the same time you call something what it is. An activity that we have admired kp and Yada so much for. Many of us get upset when we see the influence that CAIR has in America, but we turn a blind eye towards the media (which popular music is included in) and the "do what thou wilt" koolaide they have been making te American public drink for a long time.

I understand that a lot of Satanism is "playing red indians"...attaching meaning and significance to the banal and the inconsequential....but what is not inconsequential and is terrifying about Satanism/Mysticism is that by attaching meanings to certain actions or images or whatever else...they manifest through their action a state of mind and of being that is primarily a separation and hatred from and of Yahuweh...For example say Tomorrow I declared that I am wearing red because I believe Red is the color of the adversary and I am wearing to show my hatred towards Yahuweh, that does not make the wearing of the color red evil...it simply makes my association and intent evil. Lifting up a staff 20 times is not evil in and of itself...but to do so in ritual reverence to a false deity that is perpetrated by the adversary to steal glory away from Yahuweh...is. The skull or a little red horned man, or for that matter blood and gore or fire mean nothing until we attach a significance to them that is a manifestation of the state of our heart and mindset. They are not images so much of rebellion and hatred as they have become the trademark images of those who would rebel....and we have seen these images...these signs...like "giving the goat" and tongue wagging used to the point where they are a cliche in Rock music. It's not about the style of music at all...you can say I hate you in the sweetest softest tone available, but you are still saying I hate you. It doesn't matter if it's a barber shop quartet saying and espousing such things...it's just that rock has the overwhelming propensity to be the vehicle of this certain P.O.V.

We all have had our scrapes with the church, know of it's hypocrisies, understand it's shortcomings, but we held on to some truth...understood there was some truth and dug deeper...they gave up...and not only threw away that truth...but embraced the adversary. Whether or not some of these groups espouse what they sell to the public is inconsequential....they are dragging down enough of their peers with them and decieving many to walking away from Yahuweh. We are not talking about disenchanted youth, or songs about coming of age, confusion, mommy and daddy don't understand me stuff, we are talking about bands who followed the teachings of some of the preeminant satanists of the day. Bands that strove to do away with institutions of marriage and family or for that matter in some cases heterosexuality. They worked in conjunction with Mystics that espoused every belief from Astarte to Zeus. For example...


These were people who lived by, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law." If we can't admit that we have seen the fruit of that very teaching in today's society...a seed planted long ago but took a firm root in the late 20th century...that there was no right there was no wrong...there was no truth...there was no lie...only do what thou wilt...then we really are in denial. I can't speak for the website that MZ introduced and I can't speak for all rock groups but I know enough about some of them to realize what they espouse leads to death for most who would live by it or attachment to the adversary for a few.

Take this set of lyrics:



I realize this is an extreme example...but how long will it be before this is mainstream...not as long as any of us think if history is any witness.
In the wing of Music...this is a part...albeit an extreme part of the glories that Crowely started. There is a step by step documented process that started around the time of the Beatles, and encompassed bands like The Stones, The Doors, and even the Beach boys, and the steady process towards heavy metal and it's deeply satanic influence. I am sorry if you disagree Robski, you know that most of the time we agree and I have benefitted personally from many of the brilliant ways that you have put things...but I can't agree with you here.

Just wanted to stop in and say Hi. Have been browsing these forums for several months. Have also read most of Yada's stuff and left my church because of it. It is a good feeling, but it is difficult sharing this with others around here. Right now trying to just share it with my wife(very slow to come around) and my teenage son(not interested). Anyway,to get to to the point, I recently ran accross a cd by a band called NEEDTOBREATHE. Their most recent release is called the "THE HEAT". Excellent band. First radio tract off this album is titled "Signature of the Divine(YAHWEH)". I enjoy the whole cd. Not once are the words LORD or JESUS used. Not sure if that is happen stance or by design. but it works. Just my $.02.

Hmmmm,

I think we are all right here (sorry to be a salt-willy).

There is a very easy way out of this. Remember that anything we do through our own righteousness is a filthy rags. We are told to be transformed not conformed. We are to be changed on the inside by YHWH. As that happens we will find our own righteousness replaced by His. It is at this point that if something, (e.g. the music that we enjoy listening to, be it anything from Segovia to Black Sabbath) is not in line with his will, a change will happen to us and we will no longer feel the desire to listen.

I no longer feel any need to sneak in a banger, some calamari rings or to drink til I'm sick. I also see no need to switch on my telly, and if I do I'm usually so bored I read a book instead - not always the 'Good Book' I'm afraid. I no longer wait with anticipation for the next episode of my favourite series.

What I'm trying to say is that everything in this world that is not from YHWH is from either the knowledge we gained from the tree, or from Lucifer himself, so unless you are able to cut youself off from the world (if you are, where are you, I'll come and join you) then we have to rely on YHWH and the Ruarkh HaQodesh to change our minds. If you still want to listen to your music, do so until a change has come inside you. Then it will have been YHWH's doing and not your own, and you will have joy from the change, not questions.

I dont understand then the point of the website... if a song is about eating your fellow man and other dispicable satanic acts, surely as a follower of Yah you would beable to disearn that its not exactly what you should be listening to... I mean do people really need to be told that something is bad when there is a song for example by rigor mortis with those lyrics?

Putting and branding Rock and Roll into a satanic box doesnt work... because its inaccurate.

Swalchy understands what I was getting at. - I hope he has explained it a little more and better than I did...

How dare you judge my heart? I do in no way hate Christians. I do dislike the religion of Christianity but I do not hate Christians. I have not twisted anything - I mearly stated what I saw to be true.

My message is Rock and Roll is not a major issue in the world - it might not be great - but I think anyone can see that, there is worse in Christianity - Christianity is an example.

If you don't want to hear that from another viewpoint that's not my problem. If you get offended by my views that is also not my problem. If you want to continue to bash Rock and Roll (and not any other musical genre which are just as bad) that's not my problem.

Im sorry, you can not put things in a box, no matter how comfortable it makes you feel. Rock and Roll is the result of a "lost" world, and yes with Satanic things involved, but that's not supprising... But Christianity blinds and teaches incorrect "truths" and gives people this sick self righteousness.