There are some really interesting theories about British and American geneologies derived from the Lost Tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. British is believed to be a Hebrew word meaning Covenant Man. Much of the theories are hard to prove but nonetheless make you wonder why there remains such a strong tie between Britian, America, and Israel.

The prophecies that speak to the People of the Coastlands and how Ephraim and Manasseh would fill the midst of the earth seem to point to a continued existence after the dispersion when Isreal was carried off by the Assyrians.

Ireland seems to have some connection to Israel with David's Harp in the Coat of Arms.

Anyway, these are just some of the things I've read and I hope I'm not passing on misinformation, but there are those that believe that the prophecies stating Yahweh's re-admittance of Israel (Ephraim and Manasseh) back into his good graces mean that there would be a literal bloodline that would be revealed.

I personally find this area of inquiry interesting, but of not too much value because whether you are Israel through blood or through "grafting in", you are the same in Yahweh's eyes.

I have married into Judaism, I met my wife in 1977 whilst we were both working for IBM, she had a badge on saying 'Jesus Saves' which immediately took my attention.

This was the start of a culture shock - how different the Jewish culture is. But it is all built on a tradition. Jews who become 'Messianic' lose their right of return' (to Israel) because there is only one thing that really threatens Judaism and that is TRUTH.

Once we start understanding Yahweh's TRUTH we become Yehudim - real Jews, Yahweh's Jews. And whether 'Greek or Jew' 'Male or Female' the result is the same. Jane (my wife) gets irritated when people try to talk of her conversion to 'christianity', Yahweh is not going to work through messianic Jews or Christian gentiles, he will work through the Yehudim, whether grafted in as I am, or true (Sephardi) Jew like my wife.

Jane and I do not keep the Jewish tradition, but we do keep Yahweh's commands and appointments. To my family I have converted to 'Judaism', Jane's family are not sure what has happened.....

On the other hand, prophetic scripture clearly differentiates between biological Israel---all twelve tribes---and the gentile nations who will pay homage to Yahweh during the Millennium. When writing Future History, one of the things that struck me most was the vast preponderance of prophetic passages---far more than on any other subject---that dealt with the restoration of Israel in the Kingdom age. We need to keep it straight: although salvation is of the Jews, it is for everyone, "to the Jew first and also to the barbarian." Judaic culture is no more efficacious in achieving our salvation that "Christian" culture is. The only thing that matters is our relationship with Yahweh, whether natural (Jewish) branches or wild grafted-in (gentile) cuttings.

By the way, the whole "British Israel" thing is bogus---totally groundless. It was promulgated as a way to improve the financial fortunes of the British monarchy during the days of Henry VIII. I touch on it in Future History, chapter 20: "Babylon is Fallen."

kp

well Shalom, it seems that this return of ALL the tribes is qwite important to the Almighty...as they are called by name in Revelation, some for the first time in 2700 years. Yes, they DO return, and like KP said, this is probably the most often reitierated prophecy in Scripture.
Ruch

About the Language thing, I read a book once called " America B.C." It has tons of info about Rocks and grave sites and caves with paleo-Hebrew letters carved on them. Also some sort of weird Irish line writing. All this proof has been covered up, but it's there. Also in New Mexico, there is a huge boulder that has the ten commandments carved on it. You might find the book at your local library, or order it online. It's still in print. It has lots of black and white photos.

Well. let's see now: The promise to Abraham was:

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Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

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Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

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Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

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Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

There ae currently 15 million Jews in the world, give or take. Ya figger the Promise is fulfilled?

Ruchamah

Haha, I lived in the UK for 4 years, tea and coffee at work (and at home) are an absolute necessity, have on average 3 a day in the office. Coming from South Africa, coffee and tea is also a cultural thing since we have British ancestry, can trace my family line into Surrey, and I think Hampshire, going back 3-4 generations.

Anyway, I married a wife (with a full Jewish surname). Her father's line is Jewish, with her father born in Israel, but above him the family line gets mixed up. I will need to ask more questions to find out exactly what the history his. I know they moved back to Israel from Brazil some fifty years ago to start life there but ended up moving back to Brazil not long after that. Apparently the great grandmother, my children's great-great grandmother who's still alive, escaped from Europe to Brazil hiding in a ship somewhere during the 1910-20s era. Sorry for being so vague but I haven't asked many questions yet. However, my mother-in-law's side are Italian and obviously Catholics. My first child has an Italian first and second name while my second child has a British first name, Jewish second name, a Jewish surname and then my British surname to end the double-barrel surname. Crazy!

Anyway, how does Jewish ancestry work? How many generations is too far to be called a Jewish descendant? Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 have different family lines for Yahshua, splitting up through David's children, Solomon and Nathan. Does this have any significance? Because I've heard that a Jewish person's bloodline is determined through the mother while a their tribe through the father, or something to that effect. Is this true? In this case my wife would belong to a Jewish tribe but not be Jewish by blood, meaning that my children have no Jewish blood and no tribe. They might have a trace of Jewish blood then through their mother. I'm gentile, British descent with no known Jewish links.

Or maybe I should just forget about this, go make myself a cup of tea, and be thankful that Yahweh has grafted me into the Tree.

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