well im quite worried that mine seems to happen faster every year...

depends what you mean by celebrate lol - in the US I think birthdays are quite a big thing yes? Over here, its really not that big, even kids birthday parties are mostly a fraction of what one in the US is.

I havnt found any reason yet not to remeber the day I my wife, friends or my kids were born.

Here are some very compelling links that have to do with birthdays

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/birthday.html

Another thing to consider is this: Does anyone here celebrate their birthday according to the Lunar Hebrew calendar? The Gregorian Calender is a Pagan calendar an many of the months are named after Pagan Gods, deified emperors, or just have general pagan connotations
January/Janus
February/Februa (festival of expiation)
March/Mars
April/Aprilis (time of fertility)
May/Maia
June/Juno
July/Julius Caesar
August/ Octavius Augustus Caesar
Sept-Dec/names of months are Latin numbers

This was something that the Quakers understood and for a long time they called the names of months simply Month One, Month 2, Month 3 and so on. I am not condoning Quakerism or anything of that nature, just stating that this has been known since the days of old.

The days of the week also all have Pagan deities attached to them.
Sunday/Sun God
Monday/Moon Goddess
Tuesday/God Tyr
Wednesday/Woden/Odin
Thursday/Thor
Friday/Goddess Frigga
Saturday/Saturnus

I know that it's almost impossible to live in the Western world and not use or acknowledge the Gregorian calendar, but the pagan origins of these days and names are food for thought.

In the Millenium and subsequent new heaven and new earth period Yahuweh's calendar will surely be in use and our pagan reckoning will be long forgotten. It might be a good idea to try....at least try to have a knowlege of the Hebrew calendar and try to use it as much as possible

Shalom

My Birthday is the 13th of Chesvan, I don't plan to celebrate it but I do plan to mark it

Belteshazzar, which he was GIVEN by the chief of the Babylonian officers. But I don't think he is ever referred to as that.

I am not saying your wife must or should change her name. That is a matter of the heart. But simply I was referring to the Pagan calendar which we use.

No I was not and I thought I made that pretty clear
Do you want me to deny facts and say that Daniel chose that name which he did not?

I was absolutely clear when I said that I was not saying that his wife should or must change her name. Then I went on to say I was referring to the Pagan calendar which we use. Thoughout my posts I was making the case for integrating the Hebrew Lunar calendar into our lives as much as possible while fully realizing the impossibility of completely doing away with the Pagan Gregorian calendar.

As far as being indirectly pushing the change of name no I was not. It is a matter of the heart. I have known of many former Muslims who have changed their names from Muhammad to other Hebrew names because they didn't want to be associated with the prophet of Allah. That was their choice to make and I respect that. If however there was a former Muslim who came to the truth of Yahuweh and kept his name as Muhammad or whatever the name would be I would not bat an eye at that.

I am kind of hurt that you put so much reading into what I wrote. I really thought I was clear about this on my post.

My name is Jacob and my wife's name is Snow, you can put them under scrutiny all you want.

So if, given the example that you cited, a "converted Muslim" changes their name to "Moe" (as in the Three Stooges = Moe) - would that meet with your approval/satisfy whatever criteria you have established?

I think that we are starting to miss the point here - it is HIS Name and the re-establishment of its meaning and proper use that are important. We must turn to Him - not on each other.

I did feel that there was a veiled suggestion in your post and, consenquently, felt compelled to respond.

Not to pick sides, as this certainly is not a place such things, but I would like to assure you Shalom82 that I did not read into what you said anything like Yada is suggesting. Certainly there has just been a misunderstanding. Your posts have been good, thought provoking posts, and I would like to assure you that this is not the kind of treatment you can expect here. There is only one person that should even be having this sort of discussion with you, and that would be shohn (or his wife if she is on here) and even then it should be in a private message.

As far as birthdays go, the only ones that count (in my humble estimation) are the ones that mark our birth into the family of Yahweh. Now that's something worth celebrating once a year. Unfortunately for me, I don't know mine. I was so young, it didn't occur to me to take note of the date. Suddenly, I don't feel so old---in reality, I'm only 54!

And the names we were given by our parents on our birthdays? Those don't count for much either. Take a look at the collected promises Yahshua made to "those who overcome" within His Ekklesia (Revelation 2 and 3). Note how many of them have to do with our names---not our human names, but those which will be given to us by God, or those that will be based upon His name. "To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God…. He shall not be hurt by the second death…. I will give [him] some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it…. I will give [him who keeps my works until the end] power over the nations—“He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels”— as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star…. [He] shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels…. I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name…. I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

Until then, I'll just settle for initials...
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Sorry about the mix up, wasn't trying to start a flame war. Perhaps we all need to realize that the words a person uses on this forum may not accurately capture their facial expressions, etc. at the time the post was written.

The main thing I was trying to get at is that Daniel didn't seem opposed to being given a pagan name; however, he was opposed to dining on swine and partying hardy with the king, right? He drew a line in the sand. Why? The wife's name question was a bit rhetorical, but I thought it would open the discussion up even further.

The very topic of birthdays and weddings on the Sabbath opens up a whole laundry list of other things to consider.

What I was trying to suggest with the question was in alignment with a previous posters comment about how far to take this in regards to creating situations where others would be working on the Sabbath. I suspect, that at some point, we may start to lose the spirit of the law by focusing too much on the letter. Where that balance is at, I dunno, but I think it could tie into another post I read about the "weightier" elements of the law. It is permissible to do good on the Sabbath, and apparently fetching a pack animal out of a ditch isn't so bad either (unless I missed the point of that passage).

This ties into a lot of areas.. what do I do if I am a guest at someone's house and am presented with a nice big fat ham as the main course. I remember reading somewhere about Paul saying refuse nothing, but then that isn't exactly what Daniel did. Perhaps this goes into what was considered "food"; therefore, Paul would never have been in a situation to actually dine on swine maybe. Part of me suspects that he was trying to say that if by offending your host by not eating what is presented, you lose your ability to relate to them what you have discovered in the beneficial message, then actually you've violated a greater law. I also recall Paul saying something about going as far as he could in becoming like other folks to spread the word. There was a line that he couldn't or wouldn't cross.

This could also tie into eating meat sacrificed to idols, on the surface it seems that Paul was indicating that it is a matter of conscience, but then on the surface it seems in conflict with the chastisement received by one of the assemblies in Revelation for the meat sacrificed to idols. I remember reading somewhere, that if we look deeper into it, the message was something like not giving "credence" to the idea that the idols had any power by avoiding them when purchasing at the market. If we were to avoid purchasing such meats at the market that were labeled as being offered to idols, then it might give our brother the idea that they have power or something if they saw us avoiding such things, thus causing our brother to stumble.

I guess boils down to a matter of conscience eventually, but it seems like many of Yahshua's teaching were based on the "weight" of the laws as far as which outweighed another in a given situation, not simply what our conscience dictates. Or something like that, I'm probably just making this up as I'm going along.

I hope some of this made sense - sorry about inadvertently starting a flame war.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendago are all also assumed/assigned Bab names.

If I do a date conversion for my birthday using the first websites found through a Google search I get 7 Sivan 5948 (corrected date), 2nd day of Shavuot. Does the 2nd Day of Shavuot have any significant bearing?

The calendar conversion erroneously said it was year 5741.

And why don't the Jews correct the date, or are they blind to the real date? Is there a difference between today's Jewish calendar and a Scripturally correct calendar besides the year date? If this is mentioned in the FH book, which I believe it was, then just quote the chapter and page number, or copy and paste here.

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I've just remembered Roman 11:8 "As it has been written, "Yahweh has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, unto this day." What's the take on this verse? Does anyone think the calendar being out by 206 years bears any significance? Because in the gentile world there was an extreme amount of speculation put on the year 2000, we even had a journalist come to our house to ask us questions regarding the birth of my child who was to be born sometime around the date of 06/06/2006. Do you think Yahweh can be using this calendar mix-up to His advantage, in so keeping the Jews from becoming anxious and allowing time for the gentiles to be complete? As it says in verse 25: "For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisrael, until the completeness of the gentiles has come in."

Because surely if the year 6000 was coming on the Jewish calendar then the Jews would start looking for signs. Or is my interpretation just speculation?

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