The only thing I would disagree with is that I think Ba'reshiyth 1:26 is speaking specifically of the creation of Adam. The reason being

1. In the Hebrew 'adam is in the singular, so Yahowah created A Man or The Man, and not mankind. English translations miss render this as mankind, but 'adam is singular. In fact in verse 27 it is rendered ha'adam or the man.
2. It says that God made him, 'adam, in His image. While there where humans of some form outside of Eden, Adam was the first man made in Yah's image, with a neshamah.

But i completely agree that Yah is not interested in much prior to Adam, because the only this important to Him is His Covenant and that came through Adam.

Everything from 1:1 to 2:3 is a large swath painting, but then in 2:5 Yah takes a step back in the story telling process to fill in details. Notice that 2:5 speaks of the land having no plants, even though 1:11 spoke of plants coming up.

So the 7 day creation account was a broad stroke telling of the creation, but then Yah stepped back to fill in details. I think he did this because the seven days of creation where meant in a prophetic way.

With that in mind the instruction to be fruitful and multiply may not have come right after the creation of Adam, especially since he was not given a mate until later.

I would say that the "humans" outside of the garden where created by Yahowah just as all life was, but not in His image, that was unique to Adam. Those outside the garden would have been for all intents and purposes nothing more than intelligent animals.

I was just thinking last night about Yahowsha's saying: "My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me". So, what 'voices' do we hear in Scripture? Well, there is the voice of Yahowah, some words of Satan, and Paul's words; that's about it. So, who says "me", "my", and "follow"? Well, I suppose it is Yahowah: "Listen/shamar to My Torah"; Yahowsha: "Follow Me"; and Paul: "my Gospel", "imitate me". Hmmm. Yahowsha is giving us a choice and a warning here: "Follow Me, not Paul".

Dajstill, I agree that it is not sensible - well, too hard to wrap my limited mind around at least - to think that Adam and Chawah spawned all the peoples on earth. And I too have come to consider as probable that there were other humans living outside the protected enclosure, with the females of whom the sons of Adam could mate. Hasn't Yada mentioned before that the conscience seems to be passed down from fathers to their children? I may be imagining that, but I do seem to recall it. If that is the case, it would explain how the children of Adam's sons came to have consciences.

So if the only difference between Adam and his family and those humans outside the protected enclosure was the conscience, then the sons of Adam would not have been species blending when they mated with the daughters of those outside the enclosure. Just my thoughts on the matter.

I think there are a couple of issues here, one of which is translation. 'erets rarely means earth, it most often means land or region. So Yahowah's instruction to Adam and Chawah was to fill the region or land, not necessarily the earth. Translating it as Earth leads to the idea of a population of millions within Adam's life, but region would not take nearly that number, and I don't think the instruction was meant solely to them for the two of them to populate it, but rather to there descendants after them.

It appears to me as though the descendants of Adam mated with the humans that lived outside of the Eden after they left Eden. So when Cain married it would have been to one of them. This to me explains the nephaliym, they where not the offspring of angels and man, but rather the offspring of the sons of God, Adam and Chawah's descendants, and the daughters of man, the human like beings that existed outside of Eden.

There is more to Bare'syth 1:28 than just having children. That is the cool thing about Yah's word. Often there are multiple ideas communicated in the same statement.

This is from the Nesamah chapter:

And while most incorrectly believe that the following verse is about having
children, it’s actually about closing the gap between our three and a half
dimensional realm and Yahowah’s seven, increasing to become as exceedingly
great as God. It is the essence of His purpose and plan. It is why He bowed down
to us in love. “And God knelt down next to them (barak – adoring and blessing
them, greeting them in love and lifting them up), saying to them, ‘Be fruitful
(parah – flourish, be productive, increase) and multiply (rabah – become
exceedingly great and numerous, being enlarged, reaching a very high point).’”
(Bare’syth / In the Beginning / Genesis 1:28) There is nothing greater than being
adopted into Yahowah’s family and inheriting all that is His.

Adam was created and placed in the garden.

Returning to the first Eden, the “joyous enclosure” was more than a metaphor;
it was a real place. After reprising the beginning of the passage, we discover:
“And Yahowah, Almighty, planted and firmly embedded a sheltered and
protected garden conducive to life in Eden from (min) the east (qedem – the
former or earlier time and pertaining to eternity)…” While we are given many
more specific clues, Eden was east of Yisra’el. And figuratively, qedem tells us
that ‘Eden is indicative of eternity in the Promised Land.
“…and He established him (sym), relationally (‘asher) fashioning and
forming (yasar – conceiving, planning, forging, and creating) the man named
‘Adam (‘Adam) there (sam – in that position and place).” (Bare’syth / In the
Beginning / Genesis 2:8) All of creation, like the joyous shelter, was established
for man. From God’s perspective, we exist in the center of the universe.
There is something else worth pondering here. By using sym, translated
“established,” but also meaning “placed,” God could be inferring that mankind
was created outside of the garden, and that this unique man, one named Adam,
was placed there after receiving the nesamah. You see, this passage could have
been translated: “…and He put there the man whom relationally He had
formed.”

Cain taking a wife, read the Nesamah chapter page 29:

One of Christendom’s greatest myths, that of Adam being the only man in
existence during his stay in Eden, is being pulverized by God’s Word. “Then
Cain went away from (yatsa’ – departed from) the presence (paneh) of
Yahowah and settled in (yasab – came to dwell and live in, inhabit) the
land (‘erets – region) of Nod (nowd – of lamenting and complaints, of homeless
wanderings, of destitution and hopelessness), east of Eden.” (Bare’syth / In the
Beginning / Genesis 4:15) Places were named after people, or at least types of
people. Nowd denotes the nomadic lifestyle of the early hunter gatherer—
something, as a farmer, Cain would have loathed.
After being banished, Cain found a woman among the nomads of Nod, and he
chose to marry her. Though it does not say so implicitly, it is implied that the men
and women living outside the garden did not possess a nesamah/conscience. But
the offspring of a parent like Cain with a nesamah would be so equipped. It is the
only rational conclusion which can be made from the Scriptural and archeological
evidence.
Along these lines, we know that the addition of the nesamah made Adam
uniquely different from other animals. It is therefore what made Adam like God.
Further, we know that children inherit a nesamah from their parents because Cain
would not have been judged if he were incapable of knowing right from wrong.
Further still, this point is hammered home in the introduction to the fifth chapter
of Genesis, something we’ll examine momentarily. And lastly, in the conclusion
to the flood, Yahowah declares that He achieved His purpose, that of ridding the
region of corrupt souls with a nesamah. Collectively, these insights strongly
suggest that both the nesamah/conscience/judgment and nepesh/consciousness
and soul are passed on as part of human conception. The child of a parent with
one, gets one.

Shabat Shalom

Not very good at putting thoughts on paper. So here goes.

Woman was taken from Adam just as the Ruach Qodesh was
set apart from Yahowah,ie.". 27 So (wa -
and now) God (`elohym) created (bara') (`et - for association) `Adam (ha `adam
- the man) in His image (tselem - resemblance, pattern, and model; from an
unused root meaning shade), in the image (tselem) of God He created (bara')
him. Male and female He created them."

Bare'shiyth 2 5-8
5 Everyone (kol) ponder and consider (siah - imagine, meditate
upon and think about) the earth (`erets) before (terem - previous to the time of)
the spreading out of the land (sadeh - expansion of the ground, open fields,
and the terrestrial environment) came into being (hayah - came to exist) and
of all the growth of (samah - springing to life, and the increase in size, quantity,
and vitality of) green plants (`eseb - vegetation) in this earlier (terem - previous)
environment (sadeh - of expanding ground and of fields). For Yahowah, God
(`elohym), had not (lo') caused it to rain (matar) upon (`al) the land (`erets -
region). And (wa) `Adam (`adam - man) was not there (`ayin) to work (`abad -
toil in) the soil (`adamah - ground). 6 A mist (`ed - water vapor, dew, moisture,
and artesian springs) rose up (`alah) from (min) the land (`erets - ground or
earth), watering (saqah - providing drink to) the whole (kol) surface (paneh
- face and presence) of the ground (`adamah - dirt and soil).
7 Yahowah, God (`elohym), formed (yasar - forged and fashioned,
planned and prepared) (`et - for association and accompaniment) `Adam (ha
`adam - the man) from (min - out of) the powdery dust (`apar - fine dirt or
very small natural material particles) of (min) the ground (`adamah - soil or
earth) and blew (napah - breathed) into (ba) his (hu) nostrils (`ap - nose or
breathing passageway) a life-giving, restoring and sustaining (hayym)
conscience (nesamah - seat of judgment, of recognizing the difference
between right and wrong, discernment and discrimination), and `Adam came to
exist as (hayah) a living (hay / chay) soul (nepesh - consciousness). 8 Yahowah,
God (`elohym) planted (nata' - established, firmly embedded the seed for) an
enclosed garden (gan) in (ba) `Eden/Great Joy (`eden - delight, ultimate
pleasure, extreme satisfaction and luxury, a favorable state of great gladness) in
the east, and he placed (sym – to place, usually implying moving from one place
to another) there the man (adam) which relationally (ashar) he had formed
and fashioned (yatsar).

Have thought about this alot.

Adam was made in Yahowah's image, immortal with the ability
to reason, a conscience, a set apart piece of Yahowah, thus
being Sons and Daughters of God. Yahowsha's brother and
sisters. "(Matt 12:48 [KJV+TVM (ES)])
But G1161 he answered G611[ G5679] and said G2036[ G5627] unto him that told G2036[ G5631] him G846, Who G5101 is G2076[ G5748] my G3450 mother G3384? and G2532 who G5101 are G1526[ G5748] my G3450 brethren G80?

(Matt 12:49 [KJV+TVM (ES)])
And G2532 he stretched fort G1614[ G5660] his G846 hand G5495 toward G1909 his G846 disciples G3101, and said G2036[ G5627], Behold G2400[ G5628] my G3450 mother G3384 and G2532 my G3450 brethren G80!

(Matt 12:50 [KJV+TVM (ES)])
For G1063 whosoever G3748 G302 shall do G4160[ G5661] the will G2307 of my G3450 Father G3962 whic G3588 is in G1722 heaven G3772, the same G846 is G2076[ G5748] my G3450 brother G80, and G2532 sister G79, and G2532 mother G3384.

Sin took our mortality and ability to appear pure to Yahowah
without "clothes", therefore we are now naked without the Light of the Ruach Qodesh.

Men were mortal instinctive creatures.

Yahowah created the garden for Adam. It was somewhat
different than outside. Safe, happy, more beautiful, full of
Yahowah's Light. The out side world could not stand this. A
different dimension maybe. Set apart.
Don't know. Somewhere to look forward to going. Back home.
Back to Yahowah. Renewed, Rejoined.

She was the daughter of his father, but not his mother. She would have been considered his half sister. Very different than Seth having a child with his full sister.

Where does it say Seth took his sister as his wife?

So, are we to believe that Yahowah has been a changer overtime and that molestation and inbreeding were good but then He found out later it was a bad idea? I thought He changed not? Did He figure out later that one shouldn't have sex with their sister, but at first He thought that was a good route to take? Hmm, maybe Seth had children by His mother, can we declare that a possibility as well?

Carbon dating from what I remember reading has the ability to date human bones to some where around 80,000 years. And science has found bones that they believe are much older that 80k. I think it makes christians sound down right ignorant when they claim we've only been here for around say 6 to 7 thousand years. And there's a bunch of 'em that will stick with that story no matter what science says to the contrary. Nesahma is the life/spirit that we obtain through understanding, I believe. Nephesh/soul is in every breathing thing that Yah created. I think once a person obtains understanding, that person has the ability to obtain nesahma if he so desires, and may not desire to know God through His Covenant, and would not get nesahma b/c they didn't build that relationship that He would desire of all. Giving us the ability to either opt out and not choose Him, or except His instructions in our life and thus gaining. Now in a more complete understanding, man would recognize that in his stock of animals, that those that continue inbreeding, water down the ability of that animal to be strong. So if God gave man dominion over Gods created animals, He surely would want us all to recognize that keeping breeding close, just dilutes your own lineage, and making one weaker and weaker. Just look at the blackest on men that marry the whitest of women, or visa versa, and I don't care how ugly (looks) those two may be, their kids usually look and act alot stronger than their parents.

Was YHWH schizophrenic or change his mind when he decided to have Abraham and his descendants circumcised, when no one in time before Abraham was circumcised? Genesis 17:9, 10

I just finished reading this if it helps any. It really, just to me, comes back to the old argument of who did Cain marry?
http://www.ldolphin.org/morris.html

In the grand plan of it all, 6,000yrs really isn't that long of a length in time considering how long all it took to form the perfect environment for life. Adam, I'm sure, never got rest until God gave him rest by putting him in the perfect surroundings/garden. When I say rest, I imagine Adam was in fear living among the beast before he understood Yahs plan. Once God walked and talked and shared everything with him, I'm sure Adam thought when he viewed all the animals, and none shared his qualities, that God would help him, so Gods plan would develop through him/Adam. Am I that much different from Adam? When I understand Yah has a love for those that find Him, and in that love for me, from Him, He wants me sharing this with others. Satan probably just walked into Adams life/surroundings and corrupted Yahs testimony just enough to keep eternity out of his reach by beguiling the one Adam wanted to share his thoughts with, Chawah/family. Back to biology again. I have the two chromosomes like the rest of you men do, Y/X. In my "Y" that I have, I can go to war for Yah and slay His/mine enemies, and too, in my feminine nature that all men process, I can show lienancy/love towards my enemy if I so choose. Women have all through scripture stepped up to the plate and did things the men around them either didn't do, or, wouldn't do.. Stepping away from their nature as nurturers/feminine nature. There's a lot I'll never understand until He teaches me, but I do like to think on Him and His Ways, a lot.
You know God let Adam share with Him the love of all things. He let him name every animal and I'm certain it's why Noah was able to move what he did as easy as he did, they had no fear of man until after the deluge..
Just my thoughts today...back to work!
I did get some Quasimodo looks today from a youth pastor when I explained Yahs festivals to him. He had never heard of them, or Yah!!! I had no doubt I told him that he had never heard these before..)))

Not sure if folks try to hard to reconcile modern macro evolution with scripture, but have read comments that seem to imply Genesis 1:1 as standalone and ignore the rest of chapter one because it simply took its course. While I totally agree a day to God could have been billions & millions of years, the text states explicitly he fashioned after their kinds.

While I doubt he created for instance elk, moose, whitetail deer, mule deer, etc he did create a deer "family" with enough genetic diversity to adapt and become a sub-specie per its isolation and nitch....just like the many breeds of dog all come from gray wolf as evident in DNA.

Perhaps Yah looked upon ape as great design idea to model a greatly improved man w/nesamah.

you seem to be arguing Darwin's theory of evolution - that without any outside intervention one thing can spontaneously "become" something else. Wolves don't have a litter of dogs - no matter how similar their DNA. Whitetail deer don't give birth to mule deer. If man and woman spontaneously gave birth to various races of people it would be impossible to have the racism we have seen throughout history amongst various people - because families would automatically have children of various colors and you would never know what you were going to get.

I mentioned the African tribe in China. They have lived in a Chinese providence for multitude of generations, yet they only marry others from their tribe. Although they have lived in China for hundreds of years, they still look like the people from their native tribe in Africa. No one has spontaneously had a Chinese baby. I have twins and although they share the same DNA, environment, and even womb - they look completely different. However, each one looks like someone in their close ancestry. We have little to no Asian ancestry in our close history, and no one in our family that hasn't married an Asian has children that look Asian. Your premise that people, animals, plants, trees, etc. can change with no intervention just doesn't hold weight. If this spontaneous changing of species is inherent in all DNA - why don't we see it now? Why don't we see a tiger give birth to a lion? Why don't we see a lion give birth to a kitten? While a zebra and a donkey can mate and give birth to a zedonkey, we don't see either giving spontaneous birth to one.

So, I stick with my premise that we had to start with diversity to have diversity today. In fact, Yahowah spoke of diversity even when He made the trees. He told Adam He could eat from all the trees except for one - meaning there were a variety of trees in the beginning. An apple tree didn't simply become a pear tree. Why should we assume it would have been hard for Yah to create a vast variety of animals? And yes, we do have new species that weren't here at creation, but I posit that is from breeding practices and not spontaneous evolution. Again I believe this is so because Yah mentioned in His Towrah about cross breeding fruits and vegetables.

There was extensive diversity we know for sure at the time of Moseh - because his sister commented on his wife. If diversity was spontaneous - why would the color of his wife's skin be an issue? We also know a mixed multitude left Egypt. If spontaneous diversity was the norm, there would have been no mention of the multitude being diverse. I don't believe diversity among humans is specie mixing, just like I don't believe diversity among horses is species mixing. I am simply saying that if two thoroughbreds mate, they are going to give birth to a thoroughbred - they will not give birth to a Clydesdale. Look at our Mexican neighbors, they are clearly a mixture of their Indian ancestors and the Spanish invaders (I call them invaders because of what they did, not because they immigrated to the land). They don't look like they do because of climate, they look like they do because of the mixing of races.

So, if you are putting forth a theory that diversity is not a spontaneous accident of nature, maybe I have missed your point. But, I just don't see any indication that one thing can give birth to something new without any intervention. I also don't believe Yah's imagination with limited at creation and He needed to get inspiration for man from a gorilla. The similarity in DNA across species to me is a result of the types of atoms and molecules used to create the various species, not because Yah was using one to prototype the other.

Cgb2 ,
I agree with what you are saying here.

People are getting confused with macro evolution and micro evolution.

YHWH created micro evolution in his plan.

Here is a good book; Yada has referenced it in some of his work.

I have read it and passed it out to some Christian friends and got a good response back from most of them.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/ScienceGod.aspx#

You can watch for free here..click on, "free with ads."...the ads run by quickly.

http://www.viewster.com/...etails?id=1113-10993-000

This movie is named, "animal-sapien."