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Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 6, 2012 4:38:57 PM(UTC)
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Howdy, a YY user with whom I have interacted states that Yada et al have 'trumpeted' (if I recall correctly) the seminal misdeeds of the modern State of Israel, both on the forum and during Yada's various radio shows (of which I have listened to only two). A sophisticated Google search of the forum turns up absolutely no criticism of modern "Israel" by anyone save one [justified] dig at the Rothschilds' influence in same by a commenter of no official standing; however, current events that concern Israel are frequently discussed, so this blackout may be due to forum bias. Yada even laughably described Israel as a free country (it's economy is even more socialist than America's, and freedom of speech is severely curtailed: it is officially illegal for Christians to proselytize to Jews, and indigenous Jews are sometimes discouraged from criticizing the state by violent protestors.) Could someone please clarify the general consensus regarding the morality of the modern State of Israel, starting with its inception and continuing to this day, including its occupations and the funding of international bankers that is largely responsible for its relative prosperity?

Thanks.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 6, 2012 7:24:17 PM(UTC)
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RebelLibertarian2 wrote:
Could someone please clarify the general consensus regarding the morality of the modern State of Israel, starting with its inception and continuing to this day, including its occupations and the funding of international bankers that is largely responsible for its relative prosperity?


Why? We gather here to discuss Yahowah, His Word, His prophecies, and how those things which have happened throughout history and which are happening today prove that He authored His Word. We also like to fellowship with each other and to just hang out here when we have the time. The morality of the modern State of Israel is irrelevant to all that, and every opinion any of us might have on the subject of the morality of the modern State of Israel is equally irrelevant.

I perceive from the tone of your posts today that you've come here looking to pick a fight. Personally, I find you to be childishly obvious and hugely boring. Shoo, fly; don't bother me.
Offline JamesH  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:57:38 AM(UTC)
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Thanks flintface very good post,

I am curious though, if RebelLibertarian2 is still here.

Who is your faith in, Jesus Christ or Allah and what books do you read Bible or Koran?

Jim
Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:12:53 AM(UTC)
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JamesH wrote:
Thanks flintface very good post,

I am curious though, if RebelLibertarian2 is still here.

Who is your faith in, Jesus Christ or Allah and what books do you read Bible or Koran?

Jim


JamesH, I have no respect for allah (patently unworthy of worship - however, it remains to be proved to me that YHWH, at least as described in the extant Torah, isn't equally so). As for Yeshiyeh / "Jesus", I don't know enough about Him, considering Xtianity a religion for slaves (likely instituted by Jews who wished to spread their doctrines to non-Jews who were of course indisposed towards pure Judaism; thus, they [might have] devised Judaism-lite, which, as a Trojan horse, contained self-contradictions that would point the most zealous believers back to the Judaic Dogma/Torah, these being the least likely to evaluate whether or not this doctrine is indeed beneficial).
Offline JamesH  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:26:16 AM(UTC)
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So RebelLibertarian2, your view is to do what seems right in your own eyes?

What doctrine is beneficial?
Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:42:02 AM(UTC)
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flintface wrote:
Why? We gather here to discuss Yahowah, His Word, His prophecies, and how those things which have happened throughout history and which are happening today prove that He authored His Word. We also like to fellowship with each other and to just hang out here when we have the time. The morality of the modern State of Israel is irrelevant to all that, and every opinion any of us might have on the subject of the morality of the modern State of Israel is equally irrelevant.


No, the State of Israel, for better or worse, will be hugely important in these end times. (Plus, my current hypothesis has changed considerably since you and I last debated: although I'd love for someone to disprove this morbid theory, I'm beginning to suspect that the Torah endorses Jewish supremacism. If this is so, then the character of the State of Israel could elucidate the morality of the Torah if the former is endorsed by the latter. Note that many Christian/Jewish Zionists claim that Israel's 1948 reestablishment was foretold, and presumably also endorsed, in the Prophets.)


Anyways, FlintFace, you yourself told me that on YY Israel's crimes are 'trumpeted'. No offense, but I think you quite exaggerated. If I'm mistaken, please point out a couple of exposés of IsraHell - thanks.
Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:50:33 AM(UTC)
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JamesH wrote:
So RebelLibertarian2, your view is to do what seems right in your own eyes?


Yeah, I guess that I'll keep thinking for myself since I still haven't seen evidence of the trustworthiness of the Torah.
JamesH wrote:

What doctrine is beneficial?


I don't know. Perhaps some sort of uncompromised Gnosticism (I presently know very little about any strain thereof, compromised or not). Perhaps libertarian agnosticism. Hell, perhaps I'm completely misunderstanding the Torah. I still hold out hope that my interpretation is off or that uncorrupted texts will be discovered (though as has been pointed out, if we have but one life wherein to know YHWH, presumably the texts we possess would be accurate enough. Then again, presumably far-flung peoples like Mesoamerican natives and Chinese would have long been exposed to the Torah...) , that's primarily why I'm here.

The crux of my argument is that a philosophy endorsing slavery of enemies, the slaughter of most of same (including baby boys but excluding female virgins, of whom Israelite soldiers were to take as they pleased - because the authors of the Torah weren't obsessed with sexual perversion, doncha know), the usury whereby Jewish-dominated international bankers have long enslaved most peoples, forcible circumcision [which has been debated elsewhere on this forum, although no-one will touch my compelling arguments against it], and the Jewish desire for a Millennial kingdom wherein all Gentiles would be made to utterly abase themselves before the Yehudim would suggest that the mainstream Torah doctrine is highly 'non-beneficial'... unless I completely misapprehend it!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:00:28 AM(UTC)
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RebelLibertarian2,

Do you think there is a God and if so who is it?

And what would uncompromised Gnosticism be?
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:54:12 AM(UTC)
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JamesH, it seems probable that there exists at least one mighty one, a "God" if you will. Indeed, it's probable that there are many such beings, and even conceivable that there is one almighty and perfect one. As to any identifying information of such a perfect Being, I don't really know. I won't trust any being affiliated with the Bolshevik mass-murderers, the International Bankers, the warmongers, et al (not that YHWH necessarily is. This confusing assertion remains to be proved, presumably by yours truly)
Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:56:35 AM(UTC)
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Uncompromised Gnosticism wouldn't teach hatred of the Good God, nor advocate the dissipation (instead of liberation and purification) of the soul - this is all I can determine from a priori consideration. Beyond that, I'm confused as to why some occultists who are also into Kabbalah and Masonry would regard Gnosticism with favor, although this could be part of a false dichotomy. Torah-observers would like to use this as proof that they're genuinely anti-Kabbalah, which will lead us in circles unless we revert to a critical consideration of the Torah. In general, I intend to determine what isn't true before I attempt to ascertain that which is true, and thus wouldn't really approve of Gnosticism, at least at this point. Indeed, using "uncompromised" to describe a relatively-moral form of Gnosticism might be premature on my part, for it assumes that Gnosticism isn't a conspiracy against the Good God.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:55:39 AM(UTC)
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RebelLibertarian2 wrote:
Anyways, FlintFace, you yourself told me that on YY Israel's crimes are 'trumpeted'. No offense, but I think you quite exaggerated. If I'm mistaken, please point out a couple of exposés of IsraHell - thanks.


I have no idea what you're referring to. You mention an earlier debate in which the two of us allegedly engaged. I have never engaged you anywhere at any time in anything. You have mistaken me for someone else.
Offline RebelLibertarian2  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:30:34 AM(UTC)
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FlintFace: Yeah, you're right, I did confuse you with another. My bad.
Offline vic108  
#13 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 6:54:19 PM(UTC)
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flintface wrote:
Why? We gather here to discuss Yahowah, His Word, His prophecies, and how those things which have happened throughout history and which are happening today prove that He authored His Word. We also like to fellowship with each other and to just hang out here when we have the time. The morality of the modern State of Israel is irrelevant to all that, and every opinion any of us might have on the subject of the morality of the modern State of Israel is equally irrelevant.


Well stated, Flintface.


"May your wisdom equal your zeal and your courage atone for your ignorance."
Offline cgb2  
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 1, 2012 5:37:40 AM(UTC)
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It's interesting the mindset that anti-zionism equates to anti-semitism, when so many jews (even claiming the majority) are opposed to Zionism and the modern state of Isreal. That rebellion against the disporah causes calamity to befall them, and how prominent Zionist even aided and abetted the holocost as motivation for imigration to the nation state.

http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Perhaps the purpose of the nation state of Isreal is man's attempt to aggitate conflict and cataclism to usher in a counterfeit 1000 year kingdom (4th reich) with a counterfeit messiah.
Offline cgb2  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:48:13 AM(UTC)
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Revisting endtime prophecy that is often used to support the nation-state of Isreal "being gathered in the land" I'm increasingly discovering the context to be when he returns, not now, at least on the blessings/peace part. Perhaps as I study further, I'll find references to modern Isreal but it won't be good (cup of trembling, 2/3 holocost Zec 13 etc). Sort of logical step after the realization the covenant has not been renewed yet, and the disporah won't end until he returns.

Nor is "Israel" racial nation state of "his people", as many orthodox jews opposed to zionism point out. In fact most of prominant zionist are atheist, or kabbalists(sorcerers), and increasingly hard to ignore they hold the reigns of world power and dominance (ie. look at the cabinets of most of modern US presidents and their affiliations).
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:25:32 AM(UTC)
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The last messenger sent had only a few things to say to us all. He was warning us to get back to loving our famalies and show them that God in His fullness will not spare a one left behind. Their belief that a wonderful jebus will descend on fluffy white pillowy clouds and take them all to their own mansion on a hill is pure hogwash. By the way, and I find this in some ways, prophetic. Did you know that all the feral hogs that are taking over our woodlands come from one source that is traced back to Cristopher Columbus landing here. I find that funny in a sense. Right about the time man will need the shelters of the habitation around him, he will have to encounter a beast that not only kills gardens like no other animal, but will consume you even, where there's nothing to show. This is the thanks I give Columbus. Nothing!

Malachi 4

4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith YHWH of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

4:2 But unto you that fear(revere) my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YHWH of hosts.

4:4 Remember ye the law(teachings) of Moshe my servant, which I commanded(asked) unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

4:5 Behold, I will send you EliYah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of YHWH:

4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. .
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