dajstill wrote:Okay - going back to Yahshuwa being formed in His mother. My mom and I have been talking about this a lot - just trying to wrap our head around truth versus our Christian upbringing. So, we haven't been on the same page in just a couple of things about Yahshuwa - nothing major. Then, in reading through the forum and reading some of YY and ITG I got to thinking.
I think I am using the word correctly "nespah" I think is the word. Adam was the first human being that had this, "conscience" so to speak. However, it is very possible and probable that other "humans" before Adam didn't have this - although they had similar form.
I believe the word you are looking for is nesamah. The three components of a human made in God’s image are a body, a nephesh soul and nesamah conscience.
All living being have a body i.e. physical form, and a soul nephesh. This is something that many struggle with, all though in the Hebrew it is quite clear just lookat Ba’reshiyth chapter 1 and you will see the term living creatures mentioned frequently. In Hebrew living creatures is chay nephesh, the same two words when speaking of humans are translated as living souls. Nephesh is the Hebrew word for soul, and all creatures have one. This is probably a review for you, but I thought I would include it for anyone new who might come across this thread.
What made man unique, and in in God’s image is the nesamah, or conscience. And while conscience is the best English word it is not a very good translation. In Hebrew the nesamah is the seat of judgment, it is what give us the ability to discern right from wrong and to make a choice. So it is our free will. And it is what gives us the ability to know Yahowah, and to choose Yahowah.
I think the evidence is overwhelming that there where humanoid creatures on the planet before Yahowah made Adam, and since Adam was the first made in God’s image, i.e. with a nesamah, it is reasonable to say that these other lacked this component, and thus where akin to animals.
dajstill wrote:So, was Mary (I know that isn't really her name, but in my dyslexic mind I can't remember the spelling of her actual name) impregnated with a person without a "conscience" - then YHWH placed the part of Himself that was "Set Apart" into that "person" while still in the womb? I hope I am explaining this well and I am sure someone will understand what I am trying to say here.
For instance, Adam was formed - then YHWH breathed His breath into Adam. Is that what happened with Yahshuwa, but instead of just having the "breath" of YHWH - it was actually the Set Apart piece of YHWH Himself that went into the child? I hope this makes sense! I am just trying to wrap my head around it.
This is an interesting question which I have never really thought about. Off the top of my head I would say that I am inclined to think that Yahowsha was conceived with a nesamah, and that Yah’s spirit indwelt Him.
My reasoning being this: We know from Scripture that the nesamah is inherited from parents to offspring because Cain and Able had one, and so did their children presumably all the way down to Abram who used his to come to know Yah and form the Covenant with Him. So I would think that His mother having a nesamah would have passed it down to Him.
Also the way I see the role of the nesamah it is the part of us that enables Yah’s spirit to indwell us, and thus elevate us closer to Yah. Granted this is more extrapolation than something stated outright in Scripture, but that is how I have come to view the nesamah’s role. And so based on that Yahowsha would have had to have had a nesamah for Yahowah’s spirit to indwell Him.
All that said I may very well be wrong, and your hypothesis could be correct. I think this may be one of those things that as humans we might not be able to fully understand.