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Offline Yada  
#1 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2007 8:18:22 PM(UTC)
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I was listening to a Catholic admin on-line explain to those in the chat room he was hosting that this site: Mariology.com beautifully explained why Catholics believed what they did regarding Mary.

I went to the site and found this passage in one of the articles:

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The richness of the Scriptural portrait of Mary is manifested most prominently in the Old Testament prophecies and prefigurings of Mary and the New Testament passages that portray her as the link between the Old and the New Covenants. Mary serves as a link between the two Covenants not just through parallel or prophetic verses but by embodying common themes. She is a bridge between the Old and the New Testaments because Scripture shows her representing both the people of Israel and the Church begun by her Son. The Scriptural images of Mary in the context of both Testaments are astounding in their variety. We see Mary as:

the New Eve, the Virgin Mother prophesied in the Old Testament
the embodiment of all the qualities prefigured in the heroines of the Old Testament
the Queen-Mother of the Davidic Kings
the people of Israel, the Daughter of Zion
the Ark of the Covenant: the parallels are too numerous to be ignored
the Church

the exalted Mother of Jesus
the Mother of all the Faithful
Spouse, Mother and Daughter


Wow! Quoting: "We see Mary as: the Ark of the Covenant? - the parallels are too numerous to be ignored?" Exactly what parallels? I couldn't think of any myself. Continuing: "We see Mary as: the Church?" This statement also shocked me - as a former Catholic myself, I always thought that the Church was a body of believers devoted to God and His Son - our Messiah.

You can find the complete article from which this was taken here.

I thought that the material on this site was appropriate to the discussions under this topic.

Any thoughts?

-Yada

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Offline Tiffany  
#2 Posted : Friday, September 7, 2007 8:53:22 PM(UTC)
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Yada,

You are right on with the title of this thread, as it is hilarious. It blows my mind the lies that we are fed and continue to reproduce and live by. I was listening to POD this morning and reading in Tea with Terrorist, about how they manufacture terrorist. By ways of education they teach them these false doctrines. The church is no different than modern islam. Lies, taught well are still lies. People need to wake up and do their research, but now I am calling myself into a state of accountability because I too need to do my research and not follow man but depend on the Set Apart Spirit to teach and guide me! Thanks for showing how demented humans can really be.

Tiffany
Offline J&M  
#3 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2007 11:38:40 AM(UTC)
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My mother was RC and regarded Mary as a kind of 'catchall' figure who was going to make everything all right. I suppose this equates to the mercy seat in the Ark of the covenant context but it is tenuous. Somehow Mary becomes a back door to salvation using her influence on her son.....

We have a similar thing brewing here in UK with Pricess Di, we have just had a 10 years on memorial service to her which received hours of media coverage, Di vies with Adolf as the front page No 1 top seller of newspapers.

There is a desperation in society for a mother figure, and most catholics do not know of the Ruarc Qodesh and thus the heavenly family has to be reformed (by the priesthood) with a substitute - Mary. She too must be quite 'profitable'.

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Offline shohn  
#4 Posted : Saturday, September 8, 2007 1:33:17 PM(UTC)
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Hmm I can think of one I guess. Did the ark contain the Word err stone tablets? Did Mary "contain" the "word" aka Yah'shua as well?
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Offline Yada  
#5 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:42:40 AM(UTC)
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Catholics are the first to tell you that Mary is NOT worshipped in RCC. Maybe in theory but not in practice. Check out this clip from a "High Mass" (whatever that means - I guess it's the opposite of a "Low Mass") here.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:07:16 AM(UTC)
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Yada wrote:
Catholics are the first to tell you that Mary is NOT worshipped in RCC. Maybe in theory but not in practice. Check out this clip from a "High Mass" (whatever that means - I guess it's the opposite of a "Low Mass") here.


they arnt worshiping her, they are just carrying her in coz she cant walk... ;)
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Offline Rachael  
#7 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:01:11 PM(UTC)
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I was born bred and raised RC and yes Catholics will argue that they do not worship Mary - but if not then why say the 'Hail Mary'

the RC prayer to Mary is worship!

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.


but as Wiki claims it is said
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The prayer incorporates two passages from Saint Luke's Gospel: "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women" (Luke 1:28) and "Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42)


Of course however The Scriptures read
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"42. and called out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb"
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#8 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2007 5:11:31 PM(UTC)
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I read somewhere and I can't remember the source that said that Hail was simply shalom.

Now I think we can all agree Hail is quite different from Shalom.

There is no doubt in my mind that at least a portion or cross section of Catholics worship Mary. I have seen a bumper sticker before that said Jesus is King/Mary is Queen. There is a devout Catholic family down the road from our house that has a picture of Mary attached to a fence post at the beginning of their driveway.

Does not Co-redemptrix say it all?

Here is a question...Is Mary really the Mother of Yahushua or simply a vessel, a surrogate that had the priviledge of bringing forth the earthly manifestation of Yahuweh?
I think it would be really useful if we could get some ideas on this.
Shalom

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Offline kp  
#9 Posted : Monday, December 17, 2007 9:36:26 AM(UTC)
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The worship of Mary in Catholicism is no such thing: they aren't actually venerating Mary at all, but someone else. The way it's presented, it's a nice neat deity package: you've got "God the father" (heaven forbid you should use His self-revealed name, Yahweh), "Jesus" the son who was crucified, and Mary, the "Mother of God," a.k.a. "the queen of heaven," chosen as an object of worship because the concept of a "Holy Spirit" is too nebulous, too Jewish, for Catholic tastes.

Mary is not presented this way in the scriptures, of course. Rather, she is depicted as a faithful, devout, chaste, and godly young woman who was called upon by Yahweh to do the world a huge favor, and she was obedient to her beloved God, despite the disruption and risk to her life. The last thing she would have wanted is for people to pray to her as "co-redemptrix." She's still rolling over in her grave over that one. So where did the Catholics get their skewed ideas, if not from scripture?

It's perfectly obvious. The woman they worship is not Mary at all, but Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod and mother of Tammuz---the prototype of every female deity in the pagan pantheon. She is the original female component of the Babylonian trinity. Her other names? Isis, Cybele, Fortuna, Ceres, Irene, Shing Muo, Rhea, Minerva, Athena, Isi, Pavarti, Diana, Venus, Juno, Vesta, Astarte, and Ishtar, to name a few. She is supposedly the "goddess of fortresses" (see Daniel 11:38), the "queen of heaven," and "mother of the gods." I must echo Hislop's horrified sentiment here: "Is there one...who would not admit that Paganism alone could ever have inspired such a doctrine as that avowed by the Melchites at the Nicene Council, that the Holy Trinity consisted of 'the Father, the Virgin Mary, and the Messiah their Son'"? The Mary of RCC lore is not the Mary of history. Their "virgin" is an imposter (and she's no virgin, either).

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#10 Posted : Monday, December 17, 2007 3:13:00 PM(UTC)
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kp wrote:
She is supposedly the "goddess of fortresses" (see Daniel 11:38), the "queen of heaven," and "mother of the gods."
kp


I also got this from Hislop: "The woman that made towers or encompassing walls"--i.e., Semiramis

I've reading recently about Free Masonry and I wonder if there is a connection since they originated as a guild that their focus on building ties back to a worship of Semiramis? They are masons who build things like towers, walls and forts, and she is goddess of the same. KP also reminded me in a prior post that Yahweh requires that steps are never to be built to the altar. I know that one of the symbols revered by Masons is the unfinished pyramid. From pictures of their building in Washington DC, it looks just like steps up to an altar which would be atop the unfunished pyramid.

Sorry to digress, but I wanted to get this thought in.
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#11 Posted : Monday, December 17, 2007 5:01:28 PM(UTC)
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Here's a thought: given her situation, can you imagine how much pressure Mary would be under these days- from her family, friends, society, even Joseph if he weren't such a swell guy- to get an abortion? It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Honestly, my knowledge on ancient abortions is limited, so it's very possible that people suggested that to her, but I think it would be worse today.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:59:23 AM(UTC)
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Yes, Gammafighter, but the pressure on Joseph was to do something even more drastic than an abortion would have been. He was a man who kept the Torah as best he could, revering Yahweh and His word. He knew that to all appearances, the Law demanded Mary's death. "The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10) But Joseph, in the spirit of mercy that Yahweh always favors over justice, was not about to take his beloved Mary out to be stoned. Rather, he had already decided to "put her away privately," that is, divorce her as quietly as possible, when the angel came and straightened him out. Talk about pressure!

But you're right. Where would we be if the Savior of mankind had been aborted in the womb? Makes you wonder how many people destined to cure cancer or perfect nuclear fusion or preach the good news of Yahshua's grace never breathed God's air because their parents were too self absorbed to bring them into the world.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:45:06 PM(UTC)
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I found this video on YouTube: "The Biblical Mary and The Catholic Tradition," by Richard Bennett, a former Catholic priest. You can watch it here.
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Offline Rachael  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:07:57 AM(UTC)
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as a RC child I never related to mary, even being a girl. I had a strong relationship with Yahweh and still do. I find a stronger relationship with Yahweh than Yahushua actually. sometimes i wonder if that is right or wrong but its who i naturally pray to. I could never pray to mary or Yahushua as a child. I dont know why. I always directed it straight to Yahweh - or God as we were taught.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:11:47 AM(UTC)
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Rachael, I have always done the same. Before I knew his name, I prayed to God, but now I always pray to Yahuweh. I don't really look at it as that I am praying to one over the other, though, as Yahuweh is Yahushua, Yahushua is Yahuweh. They are the same. Yahushua is just Yahuweh with his power turned down a bit so he doesn't obliterate us with his very presence.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:40:20 PM(UTC)
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I am not sure if I posted this link or not. This is a nice presentation given by a former Catholic priest on the differences between the Mary found in Scripture and the Mary of Catholic tradition. You can watch it here.
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Offline Yada  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:35:06 PM(UTC)
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Quote:
Thursday, December 06, 2007
Vatican Indulgence to Mark 150 Years of Lourdes

Pope Benedict XVI is granting the plenary indulgences for the occasion of the 150th anniversary of the apparition of the Virgin Mary at Lourdes. "The forthcoming 150th anniversary of the day in which Mary Most Holy, revealing herself as the Immaculate Conception to Bernadette Soubirous, wished a shrine to be erected and venerated in the place known as 'Massabielle' in the town of Lourdes," the decree reads, "calls to mind the innumerable series of prodigies through which the supernatural life of souls and the health of bodies has drawn great advantage from the omnipotent goodness of God." Read the whole thing here. An indulgence is a remit of temporal punishment, or consequence, for sins. See more about them here. Here are the terms of the indulgence: A) "If between December 8, 2007 and December 8, 2008 they visit, preferably in the order suggested: (1) the parish baptistery used for the Baptism of Bernadette, (2) the Soubirous family home (3) the Grotto of Massabielle, (4) the chapel of the hospice where Bernadette received First Communion, and on each occasion they pause for an appropriate length of time in prayer and with pious meditations, concluding with the recital of the Our Father, the Profession of Faith, ... and the jubilee prayer or other Marian invocation." For those unable to make it to France, there's this: B) "If between February 2, 2008 ... and February 11, 2008, Feast of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Lourdes and 150th anniversary of the apparition, they visit, in any church, grotto or decorous place, the blessed image of that same Virgin of Lourdes, solemnly exposed for public veneration, and before the image participate in a pious exercise of Marian devotion, or at least pause for an appropriate space of time in prayer and with pious meditations, concluding with the recital of the Our Father, the Profession of Faith, ... and the invocation of the Blessed Virgin Mary."
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:20:48 PM(UTC)
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Great way and time to get your sins pardoned. Just join a tour group! Perhaps I should hae set up a travel agency specialising in pilgrimages...
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#19 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:40:44 AM(UTC)
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kp wrote:
The Mary of RCC lore is not the Mary of history. Their "virgin" is an imposter (and she's no virgin, either).


I've been browsing through the Mystery Babylon chapter in FH but I struggling to understand the difference between the "virgin" and the Whore of Babylon. Is it the same spirit behind the scenes?
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#20 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:20:08 AM(UTC)
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The "whore of Babylon" is the entire system of satanic falsehood---religious, political, and commercial. She's called "the mother of harlots" because she has spawned a multitude of counterfeits, lies, mistakes, and subterfuges designed to get us to take our eyes off Yahweh, and our ears off His Word. The "virgin" myth is just one of these counterfeits, but an early and highly successful one. It's based, like any "good" forgery, on something real---the fact that Mary would, while a virgin, bear the Messiah in her womb. But its earliest pagan manifestation---that of Semiramis and her bastard child Tammuz---predated the "original" by thousands of years. Satan's evil, but he's not dumb.

So yes, Matthew, "virgin" worship is a subset of the whore of Babylon. The same spirit---satan---is behind them both.

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#21 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:17:51 AM(UTC)
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Thursday, April 12, 2007
Coming Out of the Broom Closet

'Hail Persephone': Pagans Retool the Rosary Kimberly Winston looks at "Christo-Pagans" and other neo-pagans who are adapting the Rosary for prayer to Celtic, Norse, Greek and Roman gods and goddesses, in this week's full-text RNS article, linked above. Quote: "It has been very common for contemporary pagans to regard Mary in some of her manifestations as a goddess," said Chas Clifton, a professor at Colorado State University and author of "Her Hidden Children: The Rise of Wicca and paganism in America." "Language and ritual have been transferred around from goddess to goddess in the pagan point of view, and the idea of having beads on a string is cross-cultural."


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Offline Yada  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:43:50 PM(UTC)
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I had EWTN on as I was working on the computer. A couple of Catholic priests were answering questions sent in by e-mail from viewers. One question dealt with "indulgences" and, as the priest was running through a long lists of "how to qualify," he casaully remarked, "And of course, by becoming a slave to Mary..."

I had never heard such a thing but a quick search online took me to "American Catholic.org" and confirmed just that:

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The Heroic Act

Many years ago, as a child of 11 or 12, I read a book on Fatima. At the end of the book was a pledge called a heroic act where persons pledged to give all the indulgences they earned during life and after death to the souls in purgatory.

I made this act and I have never seen anything about this since and I can’t find the book it was in. Do you know anything about it?


There is indeed a practice of piety called the Heroic Act. It has been encouraged by the Theatine Order. It is called heroic because of the complete selflessness involved in the practice. According to T.C. O’Brien in the Encyclopedic Dictionary of Religion, persons who make the heroic act offer to God any and all indulgences they might gain, as well as all expiatory works and all prayers offered for them after death.

The Heroic Act should not be confused with St. Louis Marie de Montfort’s act of total consecration to Mary or the offering made by “victim souls.”

De Montfort urged that the most perfect devotion to Mary was in consecrating self entirely to her, and Jesus through her, becoming a slave of Mary. That means completely consecrating self to Mary for all eternity—body, soul, spiritual and material possessions, the atoning value and merits of our good actions and the right to dispose of them, past, present and future.

The act of “victim souls” is to accept suffering without reservation in union with the self-offering of Christ in atonement for sin. O’Brien remarks that this offering is not to be made lightly or easily permitted by a spiritual director.

I would say the same of the Heroic Act and total consecration. They should not be spur-of-the-moment actions but thoughtful and mature acts.

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If you're wondering who "St. Louis Marie de Montfort" was - the following quotes were taken from, "St. Louis Marie de Montfort on the Eucharist and Mary:"

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The Sacraments, rooted in the economy of salvation, are essentially the actualization of the historical mysteries of Christ. Since Mary gave the Redeemer his flesh and blood, it follows that she cannot but be involved in the mysteries that are a unique memorial of the same flesh and blood, that is, the Eucharist.


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In light of these theological principles, Montfort elaborated his teaching, which is full of grateful admiration for the Father, that the Father through the Holy Spirit has entrusted His Son to Mary. This praise extends to Mary as well, as her "fiat" made it possible for us to share the Eucharistic body and blood of her Son: "It was you, Virgin Mary, /Who gave us this body and blood / Which raises our status so high / that it is beyond the reach of the angels. May you be blessed throughout the world / For giving us such a great gift" (H [Hymns] 134:11).


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With great sensitivity and in great depth, Montfort draws attention to the presence and action of Mary in the Eucharist without detriment to the excellence of the redeeming work of Christ. Mary is mediatrix of Communion: "As Mary is the treasurer and dispenser of the gifts and graces of the Most High God, she reserves a choice portion, indeed the choicest portion, to nourish and sustain her children and servants. They grow strong on the Bread of Life; they are made joyful with the wine that brings forth virgins. They are carried at her breast" (TD 208).


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In the conviction that sacramental Communion necessarily involves the presence of Mary, Montfort concludes TD with an exhortation to receive Holy Communion in union with Mary.


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Montfort tells us why and how we should unite ourselves with Mary before, during, and after Holy Communion; his aim is to demonstrate clearly that in us and through us Holy Communion binds Christ and Mary together again. In other words, the union between Christ and Mary, which took place at a definite time and place, is repeated in a sacramental way when the faithful united with Mary receive Holy Communion.


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"They should go to confession and Holy Communion with the intention of consecrating themselves to Jesus through Mary as his slaves of love. When receiving Holy Communion they could follow the method given later on [cf. TD 266-273]. They then recite the act of consecration" (TD 231; cf. also SM [The Secret of Mary] 61, 76).


And finally:

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Jesus instituted the Eucharist in order to remain with Mary even after his death on the Cross and his Ascension; so he keeps coming back to her "nourishing her with his own body which she nourished when he was an infant"; "in exchange for the milk of her most pure breast, he strengthens her with his divine Blood"; the Blessed Virgin is the perfect model of all who receive Holy Communion.


I know that this stuff probably only interests ex-Catholics on the forum such as myself, but I just can't believe the things I keep discovering about the Church. I had no idea that such beliefs existed while I was in it.

Wow.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 1, 2008 1:40:51 PM(UTC)
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More on Mary - ‘Mary just like the rest of us’.

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The Perpetual Virginity is a more troubling idea. The Bible does clearly state Jesus to have brothers and sisters. Matthew 13:55 names his brothers, and Matthew 2:46-50 makes clear it is his mother and his brothers. I see no compelling reason to think that ‘Mary the mother of James and Joses’ in Matthew 27:55 is anything than another name for the blessed Mary, the mother of Jesus as well as James and Joses. This along with the idea that it would have been sinful for Mary to withhold herself from Joseph for their entire marriage is enough to put to rest her perpetual virginity. The troubling aspect of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary is why it was so important to Medieval Theologians. It was important because virginity was important. That sexual love was somehow wrong, sinful, or at least a lesser way. Mary was the embodiment of holiness; thus, she must have never partaken of such a sinful thing as sexual love with her husband. This theology is embedded in Romanism still today. Vows of celibacy are still required showing that somehow virginity is a higher holier road. The Roman Church needs the Perpetual Virginity of Mary because if she had relations with Joseph then she is no longer ‘Mary full of grace’, but rather ‘Mary just like the rest of us’.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 1, 2008 6:19:00 PM(UTC)
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If Mary had been childless except for Yahshua, it would have been seen as a mark of disgrace and disfavor in her culture, not the sign of "holiness" the Catholic church would read into such an eventuality. When Mary said, "Behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed," (Luke 1:48) she could hardly have been envisioning a state of barrenness after her job had been fulfilled. Does Yahweh ever work like that---just use people and then throw them away? No.

But the scriptural evidence proves she did not remain a virgin. Matthew I:25 records that Joseph did not have sexual relations with her until after she had brought forth her firstboen Son. If God had meant to imply that Mary remained a virgin, He could have not chosen more misleading words.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 1, 2008 8:56:35 PM(UTC)
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 2, 2008 12:44:33 AM(UTC)
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shalom82 wrote:
To be a good Catholic you have to suspend literacy...what else can be said


Thankfully I was taught in an English school set up by Catholic La Sallians. I can read! I can read! Wait a minute... so can the others, but they are not changing... Me bad! ;-)
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:52:11 AM(UTC)
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So, I guess becoming a "slave of Mary" is out of the question, huh?
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#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 2, 2008 12:04:28 PM(UTC)
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During some e-mail exchanges to Yada, I mentioned this thread. Here are his comments:

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Mary worship is a direct derivative of the Babylonian sungod religion. The goddess was called Astarte by Yahweh. She is the basis of Easter, even providing the name. There is no "Mother of God," because God has no mother, and there is no "Queen of Heaven." The Isaiah 9:6 passage is adroit in explaining that a child was born and a son was given. The spirit and soul of Yahushua has always existed.

I find it interesting, of course, that over 90% of Catholic art depicts Yahushua either as small, helpless and dependent child, in Mary's arms, or helpless, nailed to a cross. They want to control their "Jesus" and lord over him. And let us not forget, all Catholic art depicts Jesus and Mary with halos, something directly derived from sun god religions. Even the word and concept of a "cross" are a direct derivatives of the Babylonian and Egyptian sun god religions.

Catholics have been duped into devotion to Mary as a result of borrowed and un-Scriptural Catholic religious schemes, something which is an abomination to God for many, many reasons. It is particularly sad that Catholic clerics have falsely postured the notion that devotion to Mary is somehow a service to "Jesus." Mary is completely meaningless as it relates to developing a relationship with Yah and to our salvation. Just as Easter is nothing more than a clever counterfeit for Passover, Mary is a counterfeit for the role of our Spiritual Mother--the Set-Apart Spirit.

It is sad that a billion people have fallen prey to the religious lie that is Catholicism. All who trust their lies will have their souls annihilated upon their death. And those who have advanced their lies will find themselves with Satan in the Abyss. Billions of people have been victimized and that makes me very sad--even angry.

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#29 Posted : Friday, July 4, 2008 3:34:43 AM(UTC)
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It goes on, and on, and on...

For some reason, I am still on the mailing list for those 'discerning' whether or not to apply for Society of Jesus. One link in a recent e-mail took me to the 'vows' a noviate must make:

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The Vow Formula for First Vows in the Society of Jesus

"Almighty and eternal God, I, (Name), though altogether most unworthy in your divine sight, yet relying on your infinite goodness and mercy and moved with a desire of serving you, in the presence of the most Holy Virgin Mary and your whole heavenly court, vow to Your Divine Majesty perpetual poverty, chastity and obedience in the Society of Jesus; and I promise that I shall enter the same Society in order to lead my entire life in it, understanding all things according to its Constitutions.

Therefore I suppliantly beg Your Immense Goodness and Clemency, through the blood of Jesus Christ, to deign to receive this holocaust in an odor of sweetness; and that just as you gave me the grace to desire and offer this, so you will also bestow on me abundant grace to fulfill it."

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So, Jesuit noviates actually take a vow to "the most Holy Virgin Mary." I just can't believe it.

The caption on the photo below reads: "Jason pronounces his vows before the Eucharist in the presence of the three provincials and the novitiate directors"
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#30 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 4:43:20 AM(UTC)
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Has anyone ever heard of "The Secret of Mary?" Apparently, by performing a series of prayers and rituals, you can actually 'consecrate' yourself totally to her. Here is one of the prayers:

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B. PRAYER TO MARY

[FOR HER FAITHFUL SLAVES]

68. Hail, Mary, most beloved daughter of the eternal Father; hail, Mary, most admirable mother of the Son; hail, Mary, most faithful spouse of the Holy Spirit; hail, Mary, Mother most dear, Lady most lovable, Queen most powerful! Hail, Mary, my joy, my glory, my heart and soul. You are all mine through God's mercy, but I am all yours in justice. Yet I do not belong sufficiently to you, and so once again, as a slave who always belongs to his master, I give myself wholly to you, reserving nothing for myself or for others. If you still see anything in me which is not given to you, please take it now. Make yourself completely owner of all my capabilities. Destroy in me everything that is displeasing to God. Uproot it and bring it to nothing. Implant in me all that you deem to be good; improve it and make it increase in me. May the light of your faith dispel the darkness of my mind. May your deep humility take the place of my pride. May your heavenly contemplation put an end to the distractions of my wandering imagination. May your continuous vision of God fill my memory with his presence. May the burning love of your heart inflame the coldness of mine. May your virtues take the place of my sins. May your merits be my adornment and make up for my unworthiness before God. Finally, most dearly beloved Mother, grant, if it be possible, that I may have no other spirit but yours to know Jesus and his divine will. May I have no soul but yours to praise and glorify the Lord. May I have no heart but yours to love God purely and ardently as you love him.


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#31 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 6:37:40 AM(UTC)
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Just reading that makes me feel wrong (like I am inadvertantly worshiping her). I had to skim, and then I didn't even skim it all.
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#32 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 1:12:12 PM(UTC)
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Hi Icy,

I had that same feeling when I started reading the prayer to Mary, I didn't finish it. Not quite the overwhelming sense of evil that I felt when I tried to read the Qur'an 12 years ago though.
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#33 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 2:55:33 PM(UTC)
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Couldn't read the Mary prayer. Couldn't bring myself to do it.

What I find really sick about the Catholic stuff on Mary is that they recommend/insist one go through Mary to get to Jesus. I don't recall having read Miriam saying, "From now on people will call me blessed and will be using me as their channel to get to my son." I don't recall having read Yahushua saying, " Henceforth, people will go through my mother Miriam to get to me."

I never did buy into the Catholic way. Always seemed too stagey to me - too showy. Besides, their leaders wear 'fishy' hats like the KKK's. ;o)

P.S. My step-mother-in-law is a staunch Catholic. She believes "The Church" is the only true church, and that they have the authority on earth to change whatever they want to, believing that God gave them the authority to do so. She goes to weekly mass and takes weekly communion. She seldom tolerates any conversation that casts a bad light on the Catholic Church. Needless to say I don't discuss Yada Yahuweh with her. May be I'm wrong in not doing so. I do say Yahuweh and Yahushua around her, and I do drop an occasional truth bomb. She has raised an eye brow at me more than once. Oh well.

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#34 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 8:08:53 PM(UTC)
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Shalom All,

It saddens me that reverence for Mary has overtaken the reverence of our Creator, Abba Yahweh. The prayer is so deceptive and effectively supplants MessiYah Yahushua as the one and only way to Yahweh. It gets a bit worse actually. The Catholic church also reveres Mary's mother Anne for bringing into this world such a wonderful person to become the mother of god!

“And may you see your children, and your children’s children, unto the third and fourth generation: and may your seed be blessed by the God of Israel, who reigneth for ever and ever. . . . Amen.” —Tobias 9:11-12

“Her children rose up, and called her blessed.” —Proverbs 31:10, 28

“To St. Anne, God has given the power to aid in every necessity, because Jesus, her Divine Grandchild according to the flesh, will refuse her no petition, and Mary, her glorious daughter, supports her every request. Those who venerate good St. Anne shall want for nothing, either in this life or the next. . . .” —Abbot Trithemius


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Oh, and another thing... Anne's body was reported discovered and relics of her body were sent to various countries for use in worship. They took her body apart for prayer!
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:15:18 AM(UTC)
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Is Mary's mother's name in Scripture?
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:19:28 PM(UTC)
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No, she's mentioned in The Protevangelium.
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:02:26 AM(UTC)
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I don't have any idea what that is, but if it's not Scripture. . .
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#38 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:19:12 AM(UTC)
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They appear to have forgotten ACTS 4 : 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:04:43 AM(UTC)
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highbrow wrote:
They appear to have forgotten ACTS 4 : 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Yes, but that's a vague statement to people who worship an english-latin-poor greek version of that ONE name.


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#40 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:04:22 AM(UTC)
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Well, they claim that the "english-latin-poor greek version of that ONE name" is still unique, but that you can get to that name via Mary, Anne, Joseph, and the host of saints... Kinda defeats the purpose and renders ACTS 4:12 moot but, hey, Scripture doesn't count when it is inconvenient towards promoting your doctrines and dogmas and traditions.
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#41 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2008 8:53:04 PM(UTC)
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Don't know if anyone has been following the "World Youth Day 2008" being held now in Australia. Mary, of course, plays a prominent role:

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Our Lady of the Southern Cross, Help of Christians
"Do whatever He tells you!"(Jn 2:5) Feast of Mary, Help of Christians - 24 May

Mary, Help of Christians, she is mother and virgin, the perfect model for all women and also for men. She is the Patroness of Australia, under the title "Help of Christians" and the patron of the Archdiocese of Sydney whose Cathedral is called St Mary's. Under the title of 'Our Lady of the Southern Cross' she is patron of the Australian Diocese of Toowoomba and of WYD08.

It is Our Lady of the Southern Cross to whom WYD08 pilgrims are encouraged to consecrate themselves in the spirit of the motto of Pope John Paul II "Totus Tuus", I am all yours, as you make your pilgrimage to the Cathedral during the WYD08 week.

The title of 'Southern Cross' derives from the constellation of stars seen only from the southern hemisphere. Mary is the Help of Christians as she leads all people to her Son. She is our help and our advocate.

Archbishop Francis P. Carroll, then President of Australian Catholic Bishops Conference, said in 2001:

Our Lady of the Southern Cross

"We have total confidence that Mary the Mother of Jesus will be with us to pray for us and to lead us to her Son. Overshadowed and empowered by the Holy Spirit, Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus, nurtured him as a child, sought him when lost, elicited his first miracle and stood to the end by his Cross of shame and suffering. She was with the Apostles and Disciples when the Holy Spirit came with Pentecostal power to give birth to the Church.

As she accompanied her Son in all of the significant events of his life, who could doubt that she accompanies the Church as it continues to live and grow as the Body of Christ. Not only does Mary accompany and support the Church as the first disciple of her Son, but she is also its Mother.

We must be a holy people united in love. Pope John Paul reminds us that the Church's structure is totally ordered to the holiness of Christ's members and holiness is measured according to the great mystery in which the bride responds with the gift of love to the gift of the bridegroom. Mary goes before us all in the holiness that is the Church's mystery. She goes before, as "a model of the Church in the matter of faith, charity and perfect union with Christ". The Holy Father writes: "She (Mary of Nazareth) precedes everyone on the path of holiness; in her person the Church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists 'without spot or wrinkle'. In this sense one can say that the Church is both Marian and Apostolic-Petrine".

God first entered the world through Mary, who is 'full of grace' (Luke 1:28), when Jesus was born, and Jesus performed his first public miracle at her prodding. She was centrally present when the Spirit was poured out upon the nascent Church at Pentecost, fulfilling the promise 'you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses' (Acts 1:8). She teaches us how to allow God to be poured out upon the world through us, to 'magnify' Him (c.f. Luke 1:46-55), so that He can be seen, known, loved and worshipped. WYD08 pilgrims can consecrate themselves to her with John Paul II's words 'all yours', so that God may more freely transform each one of us and the world with his saving power.

Our Lady of the Southern Cross, Help of Christians - pray for us

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#42 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2008 9:12:36 PM(UTC)
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Apparently, the RCC has been carting this 'icon' of the "Virgin and Child" around Oceania (and the world). Below is one of the photos included on the "World Youth Day 2008." More images can be found here.
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#43 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:52:23 AM(UTC)
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I thought I might offer this link into this discussion regarding the significance of the RC Mary, and her place in the greater scheme of things - religiously formulated.


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#44 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:17:03 PM(UTC)
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The caption on the photo below reads:

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NUN MIGRANTS Salvador Martinez holds a hymn book for daughter Esmeralda, 3, during a prayer service at a migrant camp near Hart, Mich. The service was led by Sister Guadalupe Moreno, who has worked with Hispanics and migrant workers in Western Michigan for 17 years.
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#45 Posted : Monday, August 4, 2008 1:49:39 AM(UTC)
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I just saw an interview with an American woman whose Catholic 'spiritual director' has nicknamed her "Little Mary." She claims to have been getting messages from the "Virgin Mary," many of which apparently focus on The United States.

If you're interested in reading some of these "messages," I've attached a Word documents with 64 of them. It's not hard to see how truth has been twisted and blended with this great and terrible deception.

You can also find several blogs devoted to "Little Mary" here.

Very sad indeed.
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#46 Posted : Monday, August 4, 2008 6:08:57 AM(UTC)
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I was looking through the doc, I see that Mary call her son Jesus , That's informative enough for me. :)

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#47 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 2:23:01 AM(UTC)
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For those of you who might have forgotten (lol):

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THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: A BELIEF SINCE APOSTOLIC TIMES
Father Clifford Stevens

The Assumption is the oldest feast day of Our Lady, but we don't know how it first came to be celebrated.

Its origin is lost in those days when Jerusalem was restored as a sacred city, at the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine (c. 285-337). By then it had been a pagan city for two centuries, ever since Emperor Hadrian (76-138) had leveled it around the year 135 and rebuilt it as <Aelia Capitolina> in honor of Jupiter...

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#48 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 3:35:54 AM(UTC)
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Shabbat Shalom,

It was a dark and stormy night, and not a whisper was heard when the tooth fairy rode upon the back of the Easter Bunny to bring great tidings about the forthcoming saviour Santa Claus, without whom the merchants of the earth could not achieve prosperity to drive the economies of the world... In case you are wondering, it is the same kind of story...
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#49 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 4:33:48 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone know how the Aug. 15th date got tied to this "Assumption of Mary?"
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#50 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 5:15:27 AM(UTC)
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I looked it up and I really think no one knows where the date came from - it seems to have no significance.
Here are a couple things I found while trying to find where the date came from:

"it was not until 1950 that the Church proclaimed this teaching a dogma of the Church -- one of the essential beliefs of the Catholic faith"
"The first Church writer to speak of Mary's being taken up into heaven by God is Saint Gregory of Tours (594)."
"The dates assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christ's Ascension. Two cities claim to be the place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus"
"This has been an explicit belief for at least 1500 years being stated by St. Juvenal of Jerusalem (Bishop of Jerusalem) at the council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. The claim is that the feast was already celebrated in the east in that century.
However, This St. Juvenal was known by his peers as a Liar who would twist history to his advantage. (From a letter in the writings of the Early Church Fathers) In looking over all of the Canons of all the councils including the Council of Chalcedon in 451, there is not one mention or writing or acknowledgment of her assumption as shown above."

OK- i gotta go to a different thread now before this stuff makes me puke. May Yahweh shed light on anyone who happens to be celebrating it today and wonders why and so seeks the truth and may they find out it is an abomination!


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