Here is the pertinent portion of the 10/28 BTR discussion that Yada talked about on the show today for those that are interested.
We were discussing the idea that in heaven we will not remember our sins, and this is where it went.
Yah Tselem says to (11:41:29):
brings up a question. How will Adam not remember his sin, when it is recorded in Ha Towrah?
Yada says to (11:42:15):
Yah had to point out that what Dowd did was wrong, so that we would focus on what Dowd observed, accepted, and trusted.
Yada says to (11:43:08):
I have wondered that as well. There are lots of harsh things recorded in the Towrah.
Yah Tselem says to (11:43:15):
Moseh as well...
Yada says to (11:43:33):
So the question becomes: Is the eternal Towrah Yahowah's Guidance.
Yah Tselem says to (11:43:42):
I'm sure Yah has a plan, another thing to look fwd to
Yada says to (11:44:28):
Does Yah write His Instructions on our hearts regarding how to live in His Home during eternity?
James Bowen says (11:44:46):
The Towrah (books) contain Yah's Towrah (teachings) but are not the Towrah. if that makes sense
Yah Tselem says to (11:45:14):
hadn't thought of it in that way but makes sense
Yada says to (11:45:16):
JB I think you may be on to the same thing I'm thinking.
James Bowen says (11:45:49):
His Towrah (teachings) are found in the words he inspired His prophets to write as well as in the books we call the Towrah
cgb2 says to (11:45:53):
Isa 54:4 “Do not fear, for you shall not be put to shame, nor hurt, you shall not be humiliated. For the shame of your youth you shall forget, and not remember the reproach of your widowhood any more.
James Bowen says (11:46:35):
parts of the Towrah books include His towrah teachings been shown in history
YHWHsoldier says to (11:47:10):
We know a Prophet by the Towrah
Yah Tselem says to (11:47:23):
the Towrah is Yah's instruction and guidance, not limited to what has been written
James Bowen says (11:48:28):
Yah's Towrah, teachings, will be written on our hearts, not neccisarily the Towrah, books.
Yada says to (11:48:58):
That is what I've thought JB.
Yah Tselem says to (11:49:09):
reminds me of what my dad used to say "I taught you everything you know, but not everything I know"
YHWHsoldier says to (11:49:23):
good one!
James Bowen says (11:49:32):
it's kinda like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares
Yada says to (11:49:39):
In Heaven, I don't need to know many of the things covered in the Towrah, and there are other things which I will need to know.
Yada says to (11:50:23):
So perhaps the definition of Towrah is what is important: Teaching, Instruction, Guidance, and Direction.
YHWHsoldier says to (11:50:37):
if we start band, let's call it "Shamar Dabar"
James Bowen says (11:51:10):
that's my thinking Yada
Yada says to (11:51:45):
We don't need to know how to deal with dead bodies, masterbation, or leprosy in heaven.
Yah Tselem says to (11:51:55):
the point is not to know the Towrah backwards and forwards but rather to come to know Yah and His nature via the Towrah
Yada says to (11:52:26):
So, much of the Towrah's current teaching isn't invalidated, but it becomes irrelevant.
James Bowen says (11:52:52):
yeah, we won't have to worry about coming in contact with a dead body
Yada says to (11:52:54):
Likewise, there will be instructions we will need for eternity that are not presently in the Towrah.
Yah Tselem says to (11:53:36):
like how to teleport :)
Yada says to (11:53:49):
And you'll notice that the jots and titles of the Towrah only endure so long as the heavens and earth endure - through the 1000 year celebration of Sukah according to Yahowsha'
James Bowen says (11:54:11):
because there will still be living beings during that time
James Bowen says (11:54:24):
but after that there will only be spiritual beings
Yada says to (11:54:28):
So there are huge sections of the Towrah which will do us no good as spiritual beings.
YHWHsoldier says to (11:54:55):
great call Yada
Yada says to (11:55:08):
And yet as Spiritual beings, we will need instruction.
James Bowen says (11:55:20):
probably lots of them
YHWHsoldier says to (11:55:33):
that's hyndsight because the Towrah got us to Heaven to not need certain parts
Yada says to (11:55:53):
This means that the renewal of the covenant is more than just writing a current copy of the towrah inside of us.
YHWHsoldier says to (11:56:35):
sure and did Yahowsha' not give a "new instruction"?
Yada says to (11:56:40):
I think we are on to something here which is quite profound. And it answers the single biggest question I've had.
James Bowen says (11:57:09):
we will have written on our hearts, all of Yah's instructions and teachings.
James Bowen says (11:57:22):
what question is that?
Yada says to (11:57:40):
I've always wondered why Yahowsha' said that every jot and tittle of the Towrah would endure untill the heavens and earth pass away. And now, thanks to this discussion, I know the answer.
YHWHsoldier says to (11:57:57):
Yod and Teth huh?
Yah Tselem says to (11:58:13):
cuz we won't need it after that, it won't be relevant
Yada says to (11:58:18):
There will be new and different jots and tittles.
YHWHsoldier says to (11:58:21):
Paradise
Yada says to (11:58:50):
They won't contradict the old ones, but they will serve as Yah's instructions for spiritual beings.
James Bowen says (11:59:12):
soem will fall away that aren't needed, and some will be given that are needed
YHWHsoldier says to (11:59:29):
you are inviting me on at least one of your Universe exploration missions right Yada?
Yada says to (11:59:29):
This then answers my second biggest question - which is how the current towrah would guide our behavior as spiritual beings.
Yada says to (11:59:50):
So the answer is the meaning to towrah.
Yah Tselem says to (12:00:07):
I smell a whole new chapter of ITG
Yah Tselem says to (12:00:25):
(Tp)
James Bowen says (12:00:45):
it's why towrah should be translated as well as translitterated
Yada says to (12:00:55):
Yes. It wouldn't be as much fun if we didn't travel together.
James Bowen says (12:00:56):
both have meanings
Yada says to (12:02:08):
This is a discovery that gives me goosebumbs, but which also gives me pause, because it is really easy to misconvey this message.
YHWHsoldier says to (12:02:30):
Yes it will be fun! and JB as tools improve translations should improve so I agree
Yada says to (12:02:37):
The typing yellow head is my favorite.
James Bowen says (12:02:51):
This is one of those discussions we will look back and talk about when we are in eternity, "rember that day in the chat room when we realized..."
Yah Tselem says to (12:02:53):
yeah and he's smiling
YHWHsoldier says to (12:02:55):
gee I wonder why>?!
YHWHsoldier says to (12:03:09):
777 pages later......(Tp)
Yada says to (12:03:35):
I concur. Coming to know what towrah means is among the most important revelations we benefit from knowing.
Yada says to (12:04:31):
YHWHS - yes, he's smiling and typing away - ain't if grand.
Yah Tselem says to (12:04:34):
serves as a reminder that we've only scratched the surface, always so much to learn
Yada says to (12:04:58):
This was a BIG one today.
Yada says to (12:05:20):
I'd rank this up with some of the most important things we have learned.
YHWHsoldier says to (12:05:26):
Beautiful; and Definetly Matt 5:17-19 once Again
Yah Tselem says to (12:05:30):
I concur
Yada says to (12:05:52):
And it is a huge relief regarding heaven and a wonderful answer to nagging questions.
Yada says to (12:06:05):
Another piece of the puzzle just fell into place.
James Bowen says (12:06:20):
it's always a great feeling.
Yada says to (12:06:41):
As I shared, my two most nagging questions were just answered.
James Bowen says (12:06:51):
it's the ah ha moments that make studying Yah's word so much fun
Yada says to (12:06:54):
Nicely done chat room.
Yada says to (12:07:32):
While I'm going to read back through this discussion, my sense is that we came to this realization cooperatively.
Yah Tselem says to (12:07:36):
credit Yah and His set apart Spirit
Yada says to (12:07:54):
That was the point I was trying to make.
Yada says to (12:08:35):
By studying Yah's Word, Yah and His Spirit towrah us something important.
YHWHsoldier says to (12:09:02):
That's what Yahowsha' said She would do for us!
YHWHsoldier says to (12:09:20):
Thanks Mom, and Dad, and Mattiyahu 5.17-19!
Yada says to (12:09:36):
I love it when we learn and are enlightened when shamar dabar.
James Bowen says (12:10:15):
it's funner when we share the discovery than when you are alone in a room and come to it.
Yada says to (12:10:32):
That verse is what put me over the top on this one. It explains why He said it that way.
Yada says to (12:10:54):
Nice job Mattanyah for reporting on the Sermon on the Mount.
Yada says to (12:11:19):
That was the other point I was trying to make, JB.
Yada says to (12:11:25):
It is funner.
James Bowen says (12:11:28):
yeah
Yada says to (12:12:24):
And there is a real sence of satisfaction associated with this kind of collective, family, insight.
Yada says to (12:12:38):
sence = sense
Yada says to (12:13:02):
It is like we are all growing and going together.
James Bowen says (12:13:38):
just as Yah grows from a relationship with us, we grow from our relationships with each other
YHWHsoldier says to (12:13:48):
I have
James Bowen says (12:13:51):
and together we grow in our relationship with Yah
James Bowen says (12:14:10):
and it certainly seems to be an exponential growth
Yada says to (12:14:14):
So the Towrah Yah is going to give us is instruction on how to live with Him in His Home rather than how to get invited into His Home.
Yada says to (12:14:44):
On this one, I see Yah smiling, but also concerned.
Yah Tselem says to (12:15:16):
concerned why?
Yada says to (12:15:26):
He's happy His kids figured it out. But this is an insight which is very easily miscommunicated and misunderstood.
James Bowen says (12:15:34):
it's an idea that can be mis contrued
Yada says to (12:15:43):
It is an "inside the family" insight.
Yah Tselem says to (12:15:52):
ahhh yes
James Bowen says (12:15:53):
misconstrued
Yada says to (12:16:45):
But it resolves all of the questions regarding not knowing painful stuff, such as Adam, even Moseh.
James Bowen says (12:16:45):
I'm going to have to reread the chat log, and thne turn this all over and over in my head all day
YHWHsoldier says to (12:17:13):
just thinking that jb
Yah Tselem says to (12:17:27):
I'm going to copy the log and send to RM and whoever else missed it
Yada says to (12:17:35):
I am going to celebrate the understanding, the perspective and affirmation this provides.
cgb2 says to (12:17:47):
Here's verse on us forgetting:
cgb2 says to (12:17:48):
Isa 54:4 “Do not fear, for you shall not be put to shame, nor hurt, you shall not be humiliated. For the shame of your youth you shall forget, and not remember the reproach of your widowhood any more.
Yada says to (12:18:22):
Then I'm going to think about whether or not this is something which can be shares outside of the family.
James Bowen says (12:18:57):
I'm going to have to send a copy of the chat log to my wife. She will find it facinating
Yada says to (12:19:22):
A "new towrah" for a "new time" is easy for us who are inside the family to understand, but it would be fire in the hands of Christian apologists.
Yada says to (12:19:55):
Yes, it explains Isa 54.4.
James Bowen says (12:20:07):
yeah especially since they have already twisted Jeremiah 31 to come up with a new testament
Yada says to (12:20:21):
can be shared... not shares outside the family.
Yada says to (12:20:43):
Can you make a smiley face that is all thumbs.
Yada says to (12:21:02):
That is my hesitation in sharing this.
cgb2 says to (12:21:05):
({)
James Bowen says (12:21:45):
my an idea to share near the end of ITG, most who make it that far will benefit from it.
James Bowen says (12:21:49):
maybe
Yada says to (12:21:51):
So, within the family, it's a wonderful revelation. Outside of the family, I'm going to wait and see if Yah draws it out and onto the pages of the ITG.
James Bowen says (12:21:51):
not my
Yada says to (12:22:06):
It explains Jer 31.
Yada says to (12:22:28):
J 31 after the fact seemed a bit strange to me.
Yada says to (12:23:08):
The existing Towrah explains how we are to engage in a relationship with Yah, how we are saved by Yah, and how we are to live in the material world.
Yada says to (12:23:55):
Once engaged in the relationship, once saved, once out of the material realm, the existing teachin does't help us act appropriately in eternity.
Yada says to (12:24:43):
So, Yah will remedy that by writing new and differenct, albeit not contradictory, instructions on our heart so that we can fully enjoy spiritual life.
James Bowen says (12:25:26):
instruction on how to get to His home, and then instructions for in His home
Yada says to (12:25:44):
Yes, we could return to Jer 31 and the Sermon on the Mount a third time at the conclusion of the book, around page 4000.
James Bowen says (12:25:53):
lol
Yada says to (12:26:00):
If you make it that far, you'll already be in heaven.
James Bowen says (12:26:01):
7000 would be my bet
Yada says to (12:26:36):
Yes, JB, that is exactly what I'm thinking.
James Bowen says (12:26:51):
I think much like QP you won't be able to read all the way through ITG without leaving your religion and comeing to know Yah
cgb2 says to (12:26:56):
Hosea 2:18-23 is also interesting
Yada says to (12:27:38):
A covenant for animals.
Yada says to (12:28:06):
And a covenant which does not mention the Ba'als.
YHWHsoldier says to (12:29:39):
the rainbow is a covenant with animals, and there is a great call at the end no mention of %$^&'s
Yada says to (12:31:07):
I've often wondered about lifeforms in the new universe. It needs to have life to be really interesting.
Yada says to (12:31:15):
What of those souls?
Yada says to (12:31:42):
But that is well beyond the here and now, or my feeble brain.
James Bowen says (12:31:50):
now there is a topic we could speculate on endlessly
Yada says to (12:32:07):
I have a strict limit of one profound insight per day.
James Bowen says (12:32:13):
that's a good one to talk aobut after a few glasses of wine
cgb2 says to (12:33:04):
Perhaps the Hosea passage is more about mellinial shabbat, before new heaven
cgb2 says to (12:33:47):
Yeah my head is swimmin' and I'll have to save this and re-rad
cgb2 says to (12:33:51):
re-read
Yada says to (12:33:55):
Hopefully, there will be dogs in heaven. They are such wonderful examples of relationship, companionship, trust, and adoration.
Yah Tselem says to (12:34:07):
cg there is an amplified translation of those passages if you need them
James Bowen says (12:34:08):
all dogs go to heaven
Yada says to (12:34:13):
CGB I think it is.
cgb2 says to (12:34:16):
Me too...especailly labrador retreivers
YHWHsoldier says to (12:34:55):
I love you Brothers and Sisters rest your brains on Shabbat and be Nuwach! Shamar Shabbat YaHuwdym
Yada says to (12:35:07):
The Hosea passage is speaking of the years 6000-7000 Yah.
Yah Tselem says to (12:35:10):
Thanks YS, right back atcha
cgb2 says to (12:35:36):
OK YT I have the extractions of YY, were they in there?
Yada says to (12:35:40):
Agreed. Happy Shabat.
Yah Tselem says to (12:35:51):
yes that's where they are, if needed I can send
James Bowen says (12:36:01):
everyone have a good Shabat
James Bowen says (12:36:09):
I'll see Yah monday
