Aaaarrrrgh! "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children" (Hosea 4:6)

kp

On a positive note,

DUTCH anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders has called for the Koran to be banned in the Netherlands, branding it a "fascist book" in the vein of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf which legitimises violence.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22211667-1702,00.html?from=public_rss

Tiffany - i seem to get the vibe that you think that i agree with that bishop's position? If this is the case then it's not true - i think it's very silly that he would do this.

I think Yada mentions it, but "alla" in Greek (which i speakm ok-ish) means "although" or "but" which is kinda funny - in a way Allah's advertising himself as the adversary :) Rest assured i don't call Him that :)

I really don't have much of an understanding as yet - i wasn't brought up in a religious family or anything (which is a good thing :), and i only (perhaps in the last year?) became interested in scripture, which sorta sparked off when i was reading up about islam and listened to the Prophet of Doom audiobook. (PoD is a great reference btw - i have that and the Sira and it's great to be able to use that knowledge for any debate you may come across on youtube :)

Slowly slowly i'm learning! The prophetic stuff is really mind blowing.

Robskiwarrior - thanks for the welcome! - Hooray for Zoidberg!

Hi Zoidberg,

I will admit I was a little skeptical from your first post, but I am so to know you are getting into YY.



His position is very odd, and I would say that I would be asking him who's agenda is his working. But my job is not to judge a mans heart, but to show him the truth.

Welcome! I am glad your here and look forward to seeing and learning from your insight.

Blessings

Shohn, you're looking in the wrong Yada tome for damning evidence about Allah. You want to be looking at Prophet of Doom instead. Yada likes to keep 'em separate as much as possible. I'm sure you can see why.

kp

I sent that news link to a friend of mine in the Netherlands and she was not concerned at all, it was like of course he is demented and we take no note. But the point with her was also she doesn't see any evil in the intent of his desires!! It wasn't she understood what Allah ment but that she liked God's name the way it was!!!!

greetings all....my only comment on this would be, that every day it seems the path to salvation gets narrower and narrower, or is it just me seeing this enveloping our world? I shudder to think how many good people will be led astray by these acts.

Welcome to the forums :)

Yes I understand what you mean Yochanon :)

so a catholic bishop sincerely proposes that we invoke the advesary when praying to our Creator?! Kind of seems like HBS's work is all but done, dosen't it? I shake my head in wonder that the Trib is still 18 years away!

This fascination with the name of Allah is a simple case of the tail wagging the dog. Historically, Islam came to Southeast Asia before Christianity. When the Europeans came bearing their bible, they wanted to preach and reach to the common man who understood Allah to be the supreme being. So guess what? They translated the bible and used Allah instead of LORD! So it was a case of switch to LORD to avoid blasphemy, and switch to Allah because of a desire for souls.

Over time, the Christians (Catholics included) in Indonesia gained some momentum but never really could expand because they were dealing with, well, a mostly Islamic nation. But they took notice of this tiny Hindu island called Bali and how they refused integration into the religion of Islam. So the Indonesian Christians perservered and they kept their Indonesian bible and used the name of Allah as was taught to them by the colonials!

Malaysia and Indonesia share a similar language so Malaysians did not take the trouble to translate the Bible but took the easy way out and relied upon the Indonesian bible. This took a twist when Malaysia refused and banned the Indonesian bible as the government was scared it would convert Malay Muslims to Christianity. If it the Bible is in English or Mandarin and used Allah it may not have mattered much, but if it is in the Malay language then it seems that the Christians want to proselytize to the Muslims as ALL Malays have to be Muslims!

The Christians in Malaysia were stunned! How could members of the Malaysian population that spoke the Malay language but who were not Muslims be denied their holy book in a land where freedom of religion is supposed to be practiced? So they protested and prayed and used the name of Allah in the churches and publications to induce the government to approve the Indonesian bible. The Malaysian government responded by continuing with the ban and withdrawing the publishing permit for the Catholic periodical called The Herald because it used Islamic words like Allah and "solat"! This led to further protests and a lawsuit was planned against the government. Suddenly, The Herald was given a permit and the publisher said that it was unconditional and that The Herald could use Allah.

The Christians rejoiced! But it was shortlived when the government said that the name of Allah and three other Islamic words are not to be used by non-Muslims, effectively putting the Indonesian bible out of reach again, and partially crippling The Herald in reaching out to its Malay speaking believers! Meanwhile, they continue to pray and use the name Allah in the churches in this region because the actual name used in Scripture has been lost. This fervour has caught on among visiting clerics from Europe and who think nothing of the problems caused by their forebears and instead rejoice at the wrong name. What an ironic tragedy!!!

Instead of taking this opportunity to correct a very serious mistake, they Malaysian Christians whine and opine about fairness and the lack of religious tolerance. I thought of writing to the newspapers here to encourage the Christians to re-write the bible to include the proper names but I do not want to be exposed at the moment. Perhaps KP or Swalchy or someone else here would like to do a service and write to the churches in Malaysia via The Star and The New Straits Times newspapers and tell them to use the proper names properly and understand Scripture better. Any takers?