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Offline Mike  
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:04:57 AM(UTC)
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What did Yahweh say to Abram (Abraham)?

Gen 12:3 “And I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you. And in you all the clans of the earth shall be blessed.”

Maybe Ahmadinejad should learn to keep his big mouth shut about the holocaust and destroying Israel and America.


Iranian Military Planes Crashes in Annual Parade By THOMAS NEWDICK
Published: 22 Sep 2009 18:49

TEHRAN - Iran's sole Simorgh AWACS aircraft was lost during a military parade Sept. 22, one of two Iranian military aircraft that crashed in Tehran while participating in a display to mark the anniversary of the start of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War.
The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force operated a single Simorgh, a former Iraqi Air Force Adnan. The Adnan AWACS was in turn a modification of a Soviet-built Ilyushin Il-76 transport.
The Simorgh collided with one of the Air Force's Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters over the area of the Imam Khomeyni Shrine, southern Tehran. According to eyewitnesses, the crash occurred immediately after the parade. Apparently, no mayday call was issued.
Both aircraft crashed in flames. Initial reports indicate that seven crewmembers were killed in the crash.
In total, Iraq built three AWACS aircraft, one Baghdad, and two Baghdad-2s, the latter later renamed Adnans. One Adnan and the Baghdad were evacuated to Iran during the 1991 Gulf War, while the second Adnan was destroyed on the ground by a coalition air strike in January 1991.
The exact status of the Iranian Simorgh and its onboard systems was long uncertain. However, photographs suggest that the aircraft was equipped with a newly fitted functioning radar suite.

www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4289949

The loss of their only AWACS plane would make it much easier for another Air Force to bomb Iran.
Offline edStueart  
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:32:40 AM(UTC)
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Mike wrote:
Maybe Ahmadinejad should learn to keep his big mouth shut about the holocaust and destroying Israel and America.


Even as we speak*, the flight crews may be having a "meet and greet" with the actual perpetrators of the Holocaust...

[Article about poor formation flying technique snipped]

Mike wrote:
The loss of their only AWACS plane would make it much easier for another Air Force to bomb Iran.


Not exactly...

An AWACS is more of an asset when you are trying to conduct a combined arms exercise in a country that is not your own. That is to say an AWACS is not really a defensive asset. AWACS are used when you invade some other country, not for defending your own country. Ground based radars, SAMs and AAA are used for defensive purposes.


* from their perspective, that is...**

** yes, I put footnotes in my forum postings
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
But first, it will piss you off!
Offline Mike  
#3 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:18:05 PM(UTC)
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An AWACS can be used defensively or offensively.

An airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system is an airborne radar system designed to detect aircraft. Used at a high altitude, the radars allow the operators to distinguish between friendly and hostile aircraft hundreds of miles away. AEW&C aircraft are used for defensive and offensive air operations. The system is used offensively to direct fighters to their target locations, and defensively to counter attacks. It can also be used to carry out surveillance, and C2BM (command and control, battle management) functions.
AEW&C is also known by the older terms "airborne early warning" (AEW) and "airborne warning and control system" (AWACS, pronounced AY-waks).

Attack aircraft such as the F-15E or F-16C/D equipped with LANTIRN or similar terrain-following radar can defeat ground based radars and SAMs by flying very low altitude at high subsonic speeds (nape-of-the-earth flying).

Anyhow, I still think the crash of this AWACS is a significant loss to Iran.
Offline edStueart  
#4 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:19:21 PM(UTC)
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Mike wrote:
Attack aircraft such as the F-15E or F-16C/D equipped with LANTIRN or similar terrain-following radar can defeat ground based radars and SAMs by flying very low altitude at high subsonic speeds


...and I expect that we will see this happen very soon.

(wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
But first, it will piss you off!
Offline bitnet  
#5 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2009 10:47:12 PM(UTC)
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Shabbat Shalom,

It is a major embarrasment to Iran but it sure opens the door to Russia to sell Iran more AWACS. Iran will need them if they plan a visit to Israel in the next decade. That said, it is almost impossible to target Iran's nuclear assets because they have been buried deep underground and spread around among civilian locations. The collateral damage will be considerable so it is likely that the West will just continue to bark without biting. We will just have to wait it out until Iran launches or distributes to its operatives and clients embedded in the West. A bit too late then but there are very few options left for societies bound by political correctness.
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
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