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Offline Yada  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 4, 2007 3:26:41 AM(UTC)
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I came across this web site, based in Scotland I believe, that contained an answer to the above question. I seem to recall someone raising this question shortly after the forum was opened, so I thought I would post what I found. I would also invite other to weigh in with their own comments/opinions. The web site can be found here (note: in addition to using the correct and proper name of Yahweh, the writers mistakenly use - Yeshua, Jesus Christ, Lord, and Jehovah. However, I think that you can find some interesting/useful information on the site regarding the Miqra and how one might observe/celebrate them. Additionally, the calendar did not quite align properly after I copied and pasted it - you will have to go to the site to reference it).

You can find the web site here. They also offer many free booklets and downloads.

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Question 4:

All right, I can see that the Sabbath according to the Scriptures is the seventh day of the week, but how can the modern believer be sure that Saturday is the seventh day?

Answer:

To prove that the day called Saturday is the seventh day of the week we will consider the history of mankind in three parts:

From the creation of the world to Israel's Exodus from Egypt
From the Exodus to the Apostolic era - when the Messiah walked on this earth
And from the Apostolic era to the present time.

1. From the Creation to the Exodus

We will suppose for the moment that the Sabbath was "lost" between the creation and the exodus. It may not have been of course, for Yahweh's laws were known and kept by faithful believers long before they were given to Israel at Mount Sinai (see Genesis 26:5) and the sacred calendar and weekly cycle was followed as far back as the days of Noah (Genesis 7:11, 8:9-14) but even supposing that the Sabbath had been lost we can be certain that it was identified and established again by the Almighty in the days of Moses.
Here is how we know this fact. In Exodus 16:14-30 we read of how the Almighty fed Israel with manna. By the following three miracles - performed every week - Yahweh made known His Sabbath day to the whole nation.

He gave Israel twice as much manna on the sixth day
He withheld manna on the Sabbath, the seventh day
And He kept the manna given on the sixth day from spoiling overnight - which it normally did - in order that His people might rest on the seventh day.
By these three distinct miracles which occurred every week for 40 years Yahweh identified the seventh day as His Sabbath.

2. From the Exodus to the Apostolic Era

Was the identity of the seventh day "lost" between the exodus and the time of Christ? The answer is, No it wasn't. But again, for the sake of this investigation, we'll assume that it was.
We can be certain that it was again identified when the Messiah observed it, for just prior to his death on Calvary the Saviour categorically stated that he had kept his father's commandments. (John 15:10) He could hardly have said this if the day that he had been keeping for some thirty three years was the wrong one. Besides, if he had kept the wrong day he would have been a sinner and that would have disqualified him from being our Saviour.

We are, therefore, certain that the Saviour kept the correct seventh day Sabbath.

3. From the Apostolic Era to the Present Time

Has the identity of the seventh day of the week been "lost" over the past 1900 years? We can assure the reader that it hasn't been. Here is the proof.
Soon after the capture of Jerusalem in AD70 the diaspora took place. The diaspora is the scattering of the body of Jews to lands other than their own. Initially the exiles had fled to the surrounding countries of Egypt, Syria and Phoenicia, but in the course of time, as persecution mounted, the Jews went further and further afield and today you will find Jewish communities in every country on the face of the earth.

With them the Jews took the Holy Scriptures and their knowledge of the true Sabbath day. Every seventh day since then orthodox Jews all over the world have remembered the seventh day.

And what do we find in this 20th century? We find the Jews still keeping the original seventh day Sabbath, the same day they knew at the time of the diaspora, which was the same day Jesus kept.

There is absolutely no disagreement or dispute amongst the Jews - scattered as they still are - as to which day is the seventh day of the week. Every synagogue in every country is in perfect agreement that Saturday is the seventh day.

Had there been any change of the day, any loss or gain of time, any deliberate or accidental slip or alteration in the weekly cycle - which would have resulted in the Jews in one country observing a different weekly Sabbath from Jewish believers in the next - then we would readily agree that the identity of the seventh day of the week was in doubt. But we do not find that situation anywhere on earth. Instead we have in total agreement amongst all the Jews of all nations that the day known throughout the world as Saturday is the seventh day of the week.

Calendar Changes

Some point out that the civil calendar was changed in the sixteenth century and the weekly cycle itself was altered - all over the world - so no one can be certain that Saturday is the true seventh day of the week.
Those who use this argument are misinformed. Here are the facts of history: In the year 1582 the Julian calendar (named after the Emperor Julius Caesar) was found to be 10 days late when compared with the position of the sun. That is, the vernal equinox was not occurring on or about March 20/21 - as it should do in a correct solar calendar - but was gradually receding towards the beginning of March. The reason for this error was that the Julian calendar worked on the basis that a year was 365¼ days in length, whereas in truth it is about 11 minutes more than that. Over the centuries this 11 minute discrepancy accumulated causing the Julian calendar to steadily recede, till by the sixteenth century it had lost 10 days and the equinox was occurring on March 11th.

To correct this discrepancy Pope Gregory XIII ordered that 10 days be added to the Julian calendar dates to bring them into line with the sun. The month of October was chosen for the amendment and in the calendar of 1582 that month appeared as follows:

OCTOBER 1582
SUN MON TUE WED THU FRI SAT
1 2 3 4 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31



You will notice from the above that the weekly cycle, the order of the days of the week, remained unchanged even though the Gregorian calendar dates had increased by ten between the Thursday and the Friday. In other words in both calendars the day after Thursday 4th was still a Friday.

This amendment understandably, was not very popular in some countries mainly because it had been organised by a Roman Catholic Pope. Several Protestant countries refused to acknowledge it and continued to use the Julian calendar; but one by one they came into line. Here is a short list of when they did:


Germany (Catholic States) 1583
Germany (Protestant States) 1700
Netherlands 1700
England 1752
Rumania, Turkey and Russia 1919


All those years between 1582 and 1919 while both calendars were in use, the sequence of the days in the weekly cycle was the same in every country. In other words Sunday in Rome in 1900 was also Sunday in Russia in that year even though both countries were using a different calendar. And as each nation adopted the Georgian calendar it simply added 10 days to its Georgian Calendar date. There was no need to change the order of the days of the week, because they already agreed.

To Summarise:

Yahweh re-identified the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath in the days of Israel's Exodus from Egypt. The Messiah kept the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath. Had he not done so he would have been a sinner. Calendar changes did not affect the days of the week in the weekly cycle. Jewish communities around the world have since the diaspora kept track of the seventh day Sabbath, and all agree it is the day called Saturday.

These facts prove that Saturday is the seventh day of the week.
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Offline Tiffany  
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 4, 2007 6:34:16 AM(UTC)
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I was the one who posted the question...about the Sabbath day being on Saturday and could we really be sure. But now I would like to add to this and see if anyone agrees.

So Yahweh being all knowing, Did He have the people who created the week unknowing continue his time cycle of 6 +1 so that his people could continue to follow the Sabbath as they had all their days??

Any thoughts??
Offline Theophilus  
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 5, 2007 7:13:54 AM(UTC)
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Thanks: 4 times
Thanks for the link and examination of the enduring 6+1 daily pattern of the week and the seventh day sabbath Yada. This seems to tie into the question I asked in the "Yada Yahweh" section called "Calculating Ancient Days Q?". I found that diffent methods yield differing numeric dates, but that the 7 days of the week are indeed unchanged from ancient times. The Hebew calander being based on a lunar calculation makes it comparatively easy to yield ancient dates even if the Julian or Gregorian dates are more difficult to state with absolute certainty.

In that thread a number of calander ceonversions agree that in 33CE the eve of the Passover /Unleveaned Bread feast aka the day of Preparation mentioned in the 4 accounts in the renewed covenant scriptures fell on the sixth day of the week or the day before the 7th day sabbath. While each calander agrees that this date was the first Friday of Aprill 33 CE the calanders the various conversion methods use differ as to whether this day was April 1st or April 3rd.

I do appreciate the reasoning of the article regarding the manna not appearing on the sabbath, Yahushua observing a 7th day sabbath and that Jews retain this observance to this day.
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