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Offline Matthew  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:17:55 AM(UTC)
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Here is an interesting article by a guy called Rabbi Samuel Thompson. I think he makes a strong case which supports our view of Yahweh.

Check the following link out: http://www.scribd.com/do...5/What-and-Who-is-Yahweh

He lists the following points that summarize his study:

1) Yahshua is the Living Torah (WORD);
2) Yahshua is YHWH;
3) Yahshua is the Creator and not a creation;
4) YHWH is Yahshua who became flesh;
5) Yahshua was brought forth from the bosom of Father YHWH long before He was “begotten”;
6) Yahshua pre-existed with the Father YHWH in the Father’s bosom;
7) YHWH the Old Covenant Elohim is our Messiah Yahshua.

The only thing I'm a bit sceptical with is that he says "the Father" is also a manifestation of Yahweh, where we tend to say Yahshua and the Spirit are manifestations of the Father. He says: "Yahweh chose to manifest Himself to mankind in three primary offices or manifestations. Yahweh is: Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Yahweh is Father, Son and Ruach Hakodesh, not three persons of Yahweh but three manifestations of Yahweh." Nevertheless, I think his 15 page article is great at explaining this topic. I thought I would share it with you.

Also, what do you think of the section below that says Yahshua's blood was not human? Would you guys link this to Ron Wyatt's DNA test of Yahshua's blood indicating He did not have an earthly father? Note: I posted quite a lot of the surrounding paragraphs to provide context.

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When Yahshua was born He was the Son of Yahweh because Yahweh was His Father and when He was baptized and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him (Matt. 3:16-17) then He truly was "EL With Us", Yahweh the Eternal Elohim manifested in the flesh.

His Name (Yahshua) means "Yahweh is Salvation" so in other words Yahshua is Yahweh our Saviour.

The event at His baptism fulfilled the prophecy of Malachi 3:1.

1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the derech (way) before Me: (YHWH in the manifestation of Yahshua.) and the Master, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His Hekal (Temple), even the messenger of the brit (covenant), whom you delight in: see, He shall come, says Yahweh tzevaoth.

As stated earlier, Elohim is spirit; and being a spirit, He has no blood.

Now if He has no blood how could the statement in Acts 20:28 be true? Well, that is why He had to have a physical body made by Yahweh for Yahweh without any human input His blood was perfect because it had NO HUMAN BLOOD.

28 Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Ruach Hakodesh has made you overseers, to feed the congregation of Yisrael in Yahweh, which He has purchased with His own dahm.

This is why it is so important that we know and understand the Flesh and Blood of Yahshua, as we have learnt from the “Whole Wheat Unleavened Bread” Teachings that Yahshua is One Million percent Yahweh in every way a Zero percent Human.

His blood was perfect blood, it was not human blood, for all human blood after Adam was contaminated and tainted with sin.

So there again is a problem with the trinity theory, if Yahshua is a separate, distinct, co-equal person from Yahweh the Father, then Israel was not purchased by Yahweh's blood; but purchased only by the blood of a human being thus nullifying the atoning sacrifice of Yahshua as all (Human Flesh) have sinned and come short of Yahweh’s Glory Romans 3:23 & Romans 5:12.

Romans 3:23

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the tifereth of Yahweh

Romans 5:12

12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the olam hazeh (This World), and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for all have sinned:

But if Yahweh was manifested in the flesh by the physical body of Yahshua then the scriptures are exactly right.

This is why the Bible tells us in Colossians 1:19 that it pleased Father Yahweh that all His fullness dwelled in Yahshua & again in Colossians 2:9 that in Yahshua dwelleth all the fullness of the EL Elyon in bodily form.

Colossians 1:19

19 For it pleased Abba that in Him should all fullness dwell;

Colossians 2:9

9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of El-Elyon (Most High) in bodily form.

Yahweh Himself said at the baptism of Moshiach Yahshua that IN HIM (Yahshua) He was well pleased; and also at the transfiguration Yahweh again said that IN Yahshua He was well pleased (Matthew 17:4-6).

Matthew 17:4-6

4 Then answered Kepha, and said to Yahshua, Master, it is tov for us to be here: if You will, let us make here three sukkot; one for You, and one for Moshe, and one for Eli-Yahu.

5 While He yet spoke, see, a bright cloud overshadowed them and they were greatly alarmed: and see a Bat-Kol out of the cloud, which said, this is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear Him.

6 And when the talmidim heard it, they fell on their face, and were very afraid.


THE WORD. THE WORD was Yahshua; Yahshua was THE WORD of Yahweh made flesh before the World was.

Yahshua was in the bosom of Abba Yahweh in the beginning; THE WORD (that was to be made manifest as THE SON) was.

And THE WORD was brought forth from Yahweh to express ITSELF.

THE WORD had a beginning but since IT came forth from the Eternal Spirit, THE WORD was and is eternal (because THE WORD was Yahweh); THE WORD was the Full Pre-figuration of Moshiach who came forth from the BOSSOM of the Father to express Deity, the Eternal Elohim.

In the beginning, Yahweh comprised of the Invisible Almighty Spirit and His Visible Word Body (Greek: LOGOS).

The beloved Apostle John had an undeniably clear revelation of the WORD (LOGOS) of life that he wrote thus:

John.1:1-2

1 He who was from Beresheeth, who we have heard, who we have seen with our eyes, who we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, we declare to you that He is the Torah of chayim.

2 And the chayim was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness to, and declare to you that eternal chayim, that was with Abba and was manifested to us.


Notice that he called the WORD "life" and "eternal life" that was with the FATHER in the beginning, sort of rephrasing the statement he used in the prologue of his gospel - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was Yahweh". (John 1:1)

He said that this WORD was manifested to the saints who had heard IT, seen IT, looked upon IT and even handled IT.

THE ETERNAL WORD is none other than YAHWEH taking form in the manifestation of His WORD Yahshua.

And the WORD of eternal life was later manifested in the Son of Yahweh, Yahshua HaMoshiach.

Hence, THE SPIRIT OF YAHWEH (THE FATHER) and THE WORD (YAHSHUA) are not two persons but ONE and the same.

Offline Prophet speaks  
#2 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:50:24 AM(UTC)
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He truly was "EL With Us", Yahweh the Eternal Elohim manifested in the flesh.


He was El with us regardless of the holy spirit descending upon him

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As stated earlier, Elohim is spirit; and being a spirit, He has no blood.


Yashua was totally a human being. If he was not a human being (100%) then God is a hypocrite. In other words how can God demand of you something he cannot do himself? Jesus was a mortal man. He commanded things to happen, but they were done by angels.

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28 Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Ruach Hakodesh has made you overseers, to feed the congregation of Yisrael in Yahweh, which He has purchased with His own dahm.

This is why it is so important that we know and understand the Flesh and Blood of Yahshua, as we have learnt from the “Whole Wheat Unleavened Bread” Teachings that Yahshua is One Million percent Yahweh in every way a Zero percent Human.


Again, this is a false assumption

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His blood was perfect blood, it was not human blood, for all human blood after Adam was contaminated and tainted with sin.

So there again is a problem with the trinity theory, if Yahshua is a separate, distinct, co-equal person from Yahweh the Father, then Israel was not purchased by Yahweh's blood; but purchased only by the blood of a human being thus nullifying the atoning sacrifice of Yahshua as all (Human Flesh) have sinned and come short of Yahweh’s Glory Romans 3:23 & Romans 5:12.


There is NO Trinity of Gods

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Hence, THE SPIRIT OF YAHWEH (THE FATHER) and THE WORD (YAHSHUA) are not two persons but ONE and the same.


They are NOT one and the same. They are 2 separate entities UNITED as one in direction and intent. Just as your mouth is no the same as the rest of your body Jesus is not the same as the father. Your mouth (where your words come from) is made of the same substance as your body. It is joined to your body. It works in unison with your body, but it is NOT your body.

The Father and Son need each other to function, The Father exists outside of our time and dimension and is pure spirit/energy. The Son is the interface for his creation. The Father would be functionless without the one that declares him

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