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Offline Walt  
#1 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36:12 AM(UTC)
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I listened to the 1st chapter of Genesis (AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME - answers sooo many questions as to what's wrong with today's christianity) - then I listened to the 1st chapter of Future History.

They seemed in such contrast.

Future History was using jesus and christ, not using Yahweh/Yahuwah, and was saying that christianity was correct.

It left me confused after what Genesis said.
Offline Theophilus  
#2 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 8:31:24 AM(UTC)
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If I recall correctly, Ken wrote FH using a Revised King James Translation for Scripture citations which of course uses common Christian naming conventions. Ken's own writing in FH frequently uses YY name renderings. As you can see while largely written, YY is still a work in progress and has required Yada to extensively go back to the earliest source manuscripts and applying the best linguistic tools available to provide the Scripture passages Yada sites. Apart from adding a new chapter (3 doors) and revising another, FH has been complete for a few years.

Ken Power in writing FH cited many passages of Scripture which have not yet been rendered in the manner Yada has done for YY. When quoting a referenced source, I believe Ken is correct to copy the passages as they actually appear in the cited translation.
Offline Matthew  
#3 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 11:24:53 AM(UTC)
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When reading YY, POD, FH and TOM we can see that both Yada and KP have different writing styles, it's almost as if they're writing to a different audience. Yada's style to me seems more like guns-a-blazing, really coming out hard-hitting. It's the type of stuff that a lot of atheists and agnostics (and Christians, like most forum members) would be drawn to, as they already see flaws in Judaism and Christianity. KP's softer style is more for the under-educated Christians, it brings them in slower, helping them to understand the incredible depths of Yah's intelligence and love in a softer and gentlier way. Yada's way has the same outcome, both drawing people to Yah's intelligence and love, but the initial approach is slightly different.

I write on other Christian and Atheist forums too; Christians appreciate the more softer style but get highly annoyed if I try the guns-a-blazing style, it doesn't allow for much dialogue. Yada and KP's use of the words "Jesus," "Christ," etc. accommodates their different approaches to interpreting Scripture and to who their target audience is, plus I believe their backgrounds also play a large role in their writing styles. Yada's work has pulled out a lot Catholics, Atheists, Muslims, etc. into the Truth, while KP's work has pulled a lot of Christians deeper into understanding the Law from a Renewed Covenant (New Testament) mindset. I personally like both their styles, I like the hard-hitting but yet I also really like the softer approach. When writing on other forums you'll see the different reactions depending on the style used. We must stand up and expose with all seriousness where required but yet we also need to be full of love and grace. Some people need hard-hitting in order for them to see the Truth, you reveal the Truth to them by smacking the lie hard, but not smacking them in the process, but other people require to be gently informed, because a hard-hit might cause them to reject you as they will take offence, they'll probably label you a legalist in the process, by revealing the Truth slowly it helps them to recognise their error without being offended. Understand, or am I just rambling?

Yada has mentioned he uses Yahweh and Yahuweh in his work in order to produce better results on Google search, which I think is great.

Theophilus wrote:
Power in writing FH cited many passages of Scripture which have not yet been rendered in the manner Yada has done for YY. When quoting a referenced source, I believe Ken is correct to copy the passages as they actually appear in the cited translation

When reading Yada's work you'll notice he works on the syntax of the sentence as well, working on the grammar side as well. While KP prefers to expand the main words of the sentence and deals a lot less on the syntax.

A good example of this sort of thing is this post of mine, http://www.yadanews.com/...bernacles.aspx#post9236. You will notice that they have interpreted one verse differently, almost as if their conclusions are different. Their different approach to interpreting Scripture can have an affect on the outcome. Take for instance the word beautiful in the passage of Leviticus 23:40, the post referenced, Yada relates it to the fronds whereas KP has used the current translation where beautiful describes the trees. Generally Yada and KP share the same understanding but every once in a while they have a slightly different outcome. Nevertheless, in the end they both compliment each other.

Walt wrote:
Future History was using jesus and christ, not using Yahweh/Yahuwah, and was saying that christianity was correct

Well, Christianity is right in their belief that Yahushua has appeared already, and many Christians will be saved, it's just their understanding is lacking in some places because of a few simple lies. Many are saved but have been lied to in regards to the law, thus not allowing them to understand the depths of Yah. I see Yada's work tending to focus more on the errors of Christianity, especially Constantine's and religious clerics influence, whereas KP's work tends to see the things that are right about it, like simple belief in the Messiah and Rapture theory.

Comments by the authors or those more wise than me would be welcome. I've tried my best...
Offline kp  
#4 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 11:46:07 AM(UTC)
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In point of fact, Walt, YY and FH were written with different audiences in mind. I penned FH hoping to edify "undereducated christians," people who claim to believe in "Jesus Christ" as their "Lord and Savior" but are relatively clueless as to why, or what He really said. In the first chapter, I explained how I thought we might have gotten from Yahshua (or Yahushua) to Jesus, and made it clear that I intended to use His real name, Yahshua, throughout the book. I also explain the issue of why "the Lord" would be correctly transmitted as "Yahweh" in my textual quotes (mostly from the NKJV). As far as the word "Christ" is concerned, I'm not convinced by my friend Yada's assertion that it is an illegitimate translation, although I will readily admit that "the Anointed" would have been a much, much better title. "Christ," being a title, not a name, should have been translated, not transliterated. In ordinary conversation, I normally call Him "Yahshua the Messiah."

In short, my friend, I think you "heard" some things that I just didn't say. Please understand, however, that my modus operandi is to use a "canned" translation just the way I found it, and explain the salient glitches in the text that follows, rather than re-translating everything from scratch, as Yada does. For what it's worth, Yada and I agree about 98% of the time, but we both do our own research, and draw our conclusions independently. (By the way, Yada read the scripture parts for most of the book. And I read the scripture parts for whatever YY audio has been recorded to date.)

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#5 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 11:52:37 AM(UTC)
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Hey, thanks for the analysis, Matthew. That really helps to explain it. I guess I'm of the John Knox school. He once said, "You cannot antagonize and influence at the same time." Yada may have proven him wrong, but still...

kp
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#6 Posted : Friday, October 31, 2008 3:48:44 PM(UTC)
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I must interject and say I like both of your (KP & Yada) different ways of aproching the subjects. I think Yada's approch in YY is strong, but not offensive, he just doesnt hold back... with the information that he has I feel its right that it needs to be layed out like that, it challenges and picks out the christians (mostly) who are really seeking. What I mean is its only offencive if you hold the teaching of man closer than the scripture - if you dont realise this when reading (which you should as there is enough evidence...) then you are possibly too blind to see...

But then I love KPs "approachability" ooww what a lovely christian word lol - KP feels like a golf buddie... its almost casual information that makes you think. BUT when needed, even KP dosnt hold back. Like an honest friend who would tell you when your flies were undone, but in a subtle way so as to save embarisment :)

Its refreshing - its all refreshing. I think the top feature I enjoy about both writing styles is the "poke it yourself" attitude, instead of the "this is how it is". I find YY, FH and TOM more like reference books to aid my own study, than me being too spoon fed by some far away achademics whos only qualification is the size of their "mega church".

I think its actually taught me more about HOW to study than what they think it says - most of the time - and thats the most precious thing of all I would say.

Don't mean to talk about you as if you're not here KP :D - reading that back it kinda sounds like it lol
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
Offline Walt  
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 2, 2008 3:55:31 AM(UTC)
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Thank you all for your responces

kp wrote:
In point of fact, Walt, YY and FH were written with different audiences in mind. I penned FH hoping to edify "undereducated christians," people who claim to believe in "Jesus Christ" as their "Lord and Savior" but are relatively clueless as to why, or what He really said. In the first chapter, I explained how I thought we might have gotten from Yahshua (or Yahushua) to Jesus, and made it clear that I intended to use His real name, Yahshua, throughout the book. I also explain the issue of why "the Lord" would be correctly transmitted as "Yahweh" in my textual quotes (mostly from the NKJV). As far as the word "Christ" is concerned, I'm not convinced by my friend Yada's assertion that it is an illegitimate translation, although I will readily admit that "the Anointed" would have been a much, much better title. "Christ," being a title, not a name, should have been translated, not transliterated. In ordinary conversation, I normally call Him "Yahshua the Messiah."

In short, my friend, I think you "heard" some things that I just didn't say. Please understand, however, that my modus operandi is to use a "canned" translation just the way I found it, and explain the salient glitches in the text that follows, rather than re-translating everything from scratch, as Yada does. For what it's worth, Yada and I agree about 98% of the time, but we both do our own research, and draw our conclusions independently. (By the way, Yada read the scripture parts for most of the book. And I read the scripture parts for whatever YY audio has been recorded to date.)

kp


Thanks for the explanation.
I only listened to part of the 1st chapter so my assessment probably isn't fair.
I will go back and listen again armed with this knowledge.

I think it's great to have this forum where you can ask the authors questions to get clarification, and to discuss it with others.
Offline Walt  
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 6, 2008 3:38:38 AM(UTC)
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Ok.

The position on Yahweh ans Yahushua was stated near the end of chpt1 - I've now gone thru chpt 3.
GOOD book - thanks KP, and sorry for my initial misunderstanding.
Offline kp  
#9 Posted : Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:00:23 AM(UTC)
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No problem, Walt, and thanks for the "endorsement." While we're on the subject, remember back in the first chapter when I mentioned that the Book of Esther was one of the few that didn't contain any yet-to-be-fulfilled predictive prophecy? I read the book again, and I now think I may have been wrong about that. Although I haven't really broken the thing down yet, my first (or should I say, second) glance observation is that the two days that were granted to the Jews to defend themselves may be prophetic of (1) the Battle of Magog, and (2) Armageddon. What got me going was the notice slipped in there sideways---in both instances---that "they did not lay a hand on the plunder," even though they were allowed to by law. Why is that significant? Because the description of the borders of Israel given in Numbers 34 is virtually identical to that given of the Millennial Israel in Ezekiel 47---even though Jordan (Edom, Moab, and Ammon) is to be completely decimated, and would be a logical opportunity for expansion, but one the Jews under Yahshua will apparently not annex. Just a thought.

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Offline lassie1865  
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:03:42 AM(UTC)
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Dear Yada & Ken,

Do you have a webpage about your background? Where you are from, just how YY began and developed? Do you have any connections with any other groups, seminaries, congregations, etc? My friends and family of course are asking me about YY and its sources and credentials, etc. Thank you!

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Offline bitnet  
#11 Posted : Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:20:15 PM(UTC)
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Shalom,

Lassie1865, I understand your curiosity and a "need" for "endorsement" but I think that it would be much better suited to focus on the message than the messengers. In the past right up to Yahuchanan The Immerser, the prophets were not men of great standing but men of obedience and great understanding of Elohim Yahweh's message. Yada and KP have brought a great message and in the beginning I was curious but I thought deeper about it and rather not delve much into their credentials and qualifications as their work speaks greatly for themselves. That said, if you read a couple more of their books available for free on the YY site, you shall know more about them. More importantly, what are we doing with the message that they have brought to us? Are we just reading and forgetting, or learning by obeying and then reaching out to others around us?

I think that much work will have to be done internally before any personal outreach efforts can get anywhere, and I do not rely on the earthly credentials as claimed by so many church leaders. Yahweh's message is simple enough to be understood by anyone with an open mind and those who speak Truth are easier to discern that those who claim to have Truth in the highest degree but do not follow! It is when we start trying to justify our existing thoughts and past practices that we start to falter. Better to simply own up on our past mistakes, and turn away from lawlessness towards our Redeemer and Messiah. It is a journey that is fraught with pitfalls but the destination is well worth the troubles that shall crop up, especially those that emerge from within.
The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of Wisdom.
Offline Mike  
#12 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 8:14:08 AM(UTC)
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Lassie1865,

Like Bitnet said “focus on the message, not the messangers”.

Yada summarized his credentials like this in Yada Yahweh – Book 1 Genesis – Reshith.

“There are a few more things you need to know at the outset. I’m nobody special, at least among men. I’m just a regular guy, albeit more passionate and flawed than most. Although I’m not hard to find, you may have noticed that I haven’t ascribed my name to this mission. My only qualification for compiling this witness to expose deception and proclaim the truth was my willingness to engage when Yahweh asked. If that is not sufficient for you, if you are more interested in the messenger than the message, if you are impressed with accomplishments and credentials, find a book written by someone in the religious or political establishment. Such authors will gladly exchange your money for a confirmation of what you have already been led to believe.”

Shalom,
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Offline kp  
#13 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 8:20:57 AM(UTC)
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Credentials, Lassie? I'm still laughing about that one. I've got pretty much the same credentials as Peter did: a working stiff who simply loved Yahweh and His Messiah with all his might, even though Pete and I have both been known to fall flat on our faces from time to time. Now I'm just doing what I can to "feed His sheep." And Yada? He's more like Paul---bright, articulate, educated, and part of the system... until Yahweh took him back to square one in a "Damascus Road" experience that was as brutal as it was effective. I was an eyewitness to the whole thing, as it turns out. Ouch.

Since for us, there's no such thing as a short answer, if you really want to get a handle on where we came from, read our first book as co-authors: In the Company of Good and Evil. As always, it's free, linked from any of our sites. But I'll warn you up front: take some Dramamine before your read it---it's a wild ride.

kp
Offline Matthew  
#14 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 9:03:33 AM(UTC)
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Yada wrote:
if you are more interested in the messenger than the message, if you are impressed with accomplishments and credentials, find a book written by someone in the religious or political establishment. Such authors will gladly exchange your money for a confirmation of what you have already been led to believe.

I've always liked that passage, it's so true!
Offline Walt  
#15 Posted : Monday, November 17, 2008 1:39:13 PM(UTC)
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I think the credential issue is an important one.

There are essentially 3 types of credentials:

Of men

Of self

Of Yahweh

For me personally - the first 2 are meaningless at a minimum, and in many cases they are a detriment.

Being equipped and led by Yahweh through His Spirit is the only one that matters (in a positive way)
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