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Doesn't Isaiah 22:21-23 foreshadow giving the "keys" or authority to Peter? Isn't the precedent set here for giving authority to a man to act as steward when the king is away?
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'set-up' question...... the rc abomination is ac(totally,completely,irrevocably), their only 'authority' is from the prince of darkness whom they serve. Edited by moderator Saturday, September 6, 2008 11:53:58 AM(UTC)
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This time I have a question not about "keys" but rather the "scepter." From the Immanuel/YY chapter: Quote:In one of the most interesting and poorly translated passages of Scripture, the patriarch Jacob/Ya’aqob became Yisra’el, giving birth to Yahuwdah - the fourth of his twelve sons. He was anointed to be the bearer of the Messianic line. "Judah/Yahuwdah (Yahuwdah - one who confesses Yahuweh’s name, thanking and praising Yah, one who belong to Yah), your brothers (‘ach - kin, relatives and tribe) shall praise you..and your father’s children shall bow down... The scepter (shebet - ruling staff or branch of power) shall not depart (cuwr - be removed) from Yahuwdah, nor the governor’s and lawgiver’s engravings (chaqaq) from between his feet, until Shiyloh (from shalah, the Councilor, the one who brings safety, tranquility, prosperity, rest and ease; an epithet of the Messiah) comes; and to Him shall be the cleansing and blamelessness (yiqqahah - gathering, guiding, and authority) of the people." (Genesis 49:8-10)
So far, God has narrowed the field six times, effectively eliminating hundreds of millions of people from consideration as Messiah’s ancestor. The prophecies are getting more specific and detailed as time progresses. Now we know that the Savior will bring tranquility by way of gathering, cleansing, and guiding, and that He will come while Yahuwdah still possesses some governing control over the nation of Yisra’el.
There’s a particularly interesting prophetic twist about Judah’s/Yahuwdah’s scepter - the symbol of royal authority. Israel’s first king, Saul, was from the tribe of Benjamin, not Judah/Yahuwdah. But once David succeeded him, 640 years after the prophecy was issued, the throne of promise was never occupied by a king from any Jewish tribe other than Judah. The ruling scepter didn’t depart Yahuwdah until Herod, the mercurial Roman-bribing king who ruled during the first few years of the Messiah’s redemptive advent. Herod was not actually Jewish, but Idumaean - a descendant of Esau. He was placed and maintained in power by a foreign gentile government. Had Yahushua been born just three years later, the scepter prophecy would have been invalid, placing all Scripture in question. What happened after 3 years of His birth? Also, doesn't the fact that Israel's first king came from the tribe of Benjamin make this prophecy invalid? Thanks.
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It's because Yahshua had to minister during the fourth millennium (not the fifth), since the "greater light," the sun, became visible on the fourth day of creation (Genesis 1:14-19). Compare that against Malachi's prophecy: "But to you who revere my name, the Sun of righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings." (Malachi 4:2) A teacher in Israel would not have earned the right to speak with authority until he had reached the age of thirty (which is when Yahshua began His ministry). But the Daniel 9:26 prophecy works out to a spring 33 AD date for the Messiah's coming (69 "weeks" of prophetic 360-day years, starting on Nisan 1, 444 BC---173,880 days, to be exact, which ended on Nisan 10, 33 (as required in the Torah; see Exodus 12:3). This making sense so far? So if Yahshua had been born three years later, He wouldn't have been old enough to minister and give himself as a ransom for our sins when Yahweh's "deadline" passed, or his coming would have occurred during the fifth millennium, not the fourth, and God would have been "proved" a liar. (Fat chance on that one.)
Either that, or we're just making this stuff up as we go along.
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As for Quote:Also, doesn't the fact that Israel's first king came from the tribe of Benjamin make this prophecy invalid? No it does not. Read that scripture again. It says, "The scepter (shebet - ruling staff or branch of power) shall not depart (cuwr - be removed) from Yahuwdah." So, since the first king was not of the tribe of Yahuwdah, it doesn't matter. Once the scepter went into the hands of Yahuwdah, it did not depart.
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