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Thanks Rob for the reply, appreciate that. What you c&p'd I'd read and understood. However, I noticed this from the Kipuryim chap. Check out the fifth option. The implication is that no one "knows", (lack of awareness for various reasons), when Yahushua will return. So we're talking two diff events, the rap and His return. Since the Erchomai chap is about the Rap, why is the "no man knows the day" idiom, in the YK chap? This is why I find this a tad ambiguous and I was hoping a clarification either way was available. Does this idiom apply to the Rap or His return? Quote:Moving on, Matthew's Greek translation of Yahushua's next statement in Aramaic throws everything into question. Translated twice, from Aramaic to Greek and from Greek to English, we find: "But nevertheless (de), concerning the immediate vicinity of (peri - regarding and referring to) that one specific and definite (ekeinos - unique, certain, emphatic, sequential, and distant) day (hemera - interval between sunrise and sunset) and (kai) hour (hora - a certain definite time) no one (oudeis - nobody) recognizes it (oida - appreciates, acknowledges, or is aware of, sees, perceives, discerns, notices, or knows it relationally), not even (oude) the messengers (aggelos) of heaven (ouranos), only the Father (pater) alone (monos)." (Matthew 24:36)
Of the 18 pre-Constantine manuscripts of Matthew, this passage was not included in any of them. There is a record, however, of those responsible for the creating the Textus Receptus altering Matthew's alleged "not even the Son" remark so that it would match Mark 13:32. Therefore, when it comes to this passage, most scholastic tools are rendered unreliable. And unfortunately, there is only one manuscript of Mark dating to the first through third century CE, and it ends in the twelfth chapter. This reliability problem is further compounded by the fact that at best, English is a translation of a translation of what was said. And since most of the Olivet Discourse is quoted from ZakarYah, what we have is a translation three times over.
This leaves us with five different ways to explain these words. First, if we retain the "not even the Son" reference, Yahshua is neither divine nor Yahweh and all of Scripture is a hoax, as it would be impossible for "the Word made flesh" to be unaware of the Word or for the human manifestation of God not to know Yahweh's thoughts. Further, as an eternal being, there can't be a date Yahshua doesn't know. As God, He was there during creation and He has already been to our future. In fact, in this very discussion, He has told us exactly what would happen prior to and during His return. So it's absurd for Him not to know what He has just predicted. Therefore, I'm going to discard this interpretation and blame those who copyedited Yahweh's testimony for the confusion. After all, current scholarship confirms over 300,000 known variations and alterations between the Textus Receptus and older manuscripts.
The second option, one predicated on the removal of "not even the Son," requires us to assume that Yahweh's messengers, who are eternal spirits and thus able to see the past, present, and future simultaneously, have no interest in knowing the timing of the most important event in world history. And since Yahshua says in the same passage that these messengers announce His arrival, it's not reasonable to assume they don't know when to perform. This universally ignorant interpretation also requires us to question why God would provide an overwhelming amount of details specific to His plan and His timeline and yet not want us to understand any of it. Confronted with thousands of useful clues and one poorly rendered passage which seems to negate their purpose, Christian theologians have almost universally held up the grain of sand while ignoring the mountain behind them. Although religious men have earned the criticism, I don't think God is saying, "You are so stupid, you'll never figure this out no matter how obvious I make it?"
Our third alternative is so obvious, the first modern theologian to consider its implications within the context of God's timeline, John Mill in 1707, concluded accurately that the verb oida in Matthew 24:36 was rendered in the present tense. So Yahushua was not saying that no one has ever known, or that no one would ever recognize, the day, but only that no one at that moment in time was aware of it. Worth noting is that not only did Mill close the case on closed mindedness with this analysis, his continued investigations prompted him to question the accuracy of the Textus Receptus. He himself found 30,000 errors in the universally accepted, and yet overwhelmingly flawed, document which still underlies all English bible translations.
Therefore, "no one" in Yahushua's audience and population at the time of His revelation "recognized, appreciated, acknowledged, saw, perceived, discerned, noticed or knew relationally" the predicted day when He was planning to return. This was absolutely true then and almost universally so today. Virtually no one recognizes this "specific and definite, unique and certain, sequential day."
The reason for this is that as a rule, Christians don't study Yahshua's message in the context of the Old Covenant promises, and so they don't connect important fulfillments to the Miqra'. They don't even know what the Miqra' are. Moreover, they don't understand the Genesis one timeline or its prophetic implications. And not one in a thousand connects the parallel passages in Zechariah to Matthew. So Christians don't recognize what's going to happen or when, and most Jews, secular humanists, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists have no interest in this subject at all.
The fourth option relative to understanding this passage is tied to the fact that Yahshua quickly transitioned in the Olivet Discourse to a discussion regarding the Taruw'ah harvest. While the day of the year this ingathering will occur is known, the year is not known. And while Yahweh and Yahshua would know the year, there is no way for man to discern it from Scripture. All I know for sure is that it will occur on Taruw'ah/Trumpets some time between now and the fall of 2026.
In this regard, Yahshua's answer was ingenious. Jews has substituted the Babylonian Rosh Hashanah (Head of the Year) for Yahweh's Taruw'ah (Shout for Joy and Signal a Warning). Rabbis called it "the hidden day no one knows, only the Father." In their warped minds, it was the one day each year Satan accursed Jews of being bad before God. So they blew their trumpets to confuse the Devil. And they kept the day a secret so that Satan would miss his appointment. Therefore, by saying that He would come for His family on "the day no one knows, only the father," Yahushua was telling His disciples that the harvest would occur on Taruw'ah, now religiously considered Rosh Hashanah.
The fifth consideration for interpreting this verse is based upon the similarities between it and its counterpart in ZakarYah. The subject, timing, context, and word selections are virtually identical, meaning that it is likely that Yahushua was answering His disciples' question by citing the prophet He had previously inspired. So, speaking of the day He is going to return in Hebrew, He said..."This shall be (hayah - exist as) the one ('echad - exclusive, unique, certain, and only) day (yowm) which (hu') is known relationally (yada' - personally revealed and respected, understood and acknowledged, distinguished and discerned) to (la) Yahuweh." (Zechariah 14:7) Know, only, God, one, and day are all in the text, but in a different order, and thereby providing an entirely different, and entirely preferable, meaning.
The translation of this Hebrew citation to Aramaic, then to Greek, to Latin, back into Greek, and finally to English, without the benefit of an early manuscript, and thus tormented by many centuries of religious tampering, changed it to..."But nevertheless (de), concerning the immediate vicinity of (peri - regarding and referring to) that one specific and definite (ekeinos - unique, certain, emphatic, sequential, and distant) day (hemera - interval between sunrise and sunset) and (kai) hour (hora - a certain definite time) no one (oudeis - nobody) recognizes it (oida - appreciates, acknowledges, or is aware of, sees, perceives, discerns, notices, or knows it relationally), not even (oude) the messengers (aggelos) of heaven (ouranos), only the Father (pater) alone (monos)." (Matthew 24:36)
Since the Father is Yahweh, with the exception of the messenger reference, the quotes are so similar I think Yahushua was telling His disciples that the answer to their question could be found in ZakarYah. It therefore isn't about not knowing, but about recognizing the importance of the eternal Word generally, and Yowm Kippurym specifically.
In ZakarYah's next line, we find: "There shall be (hayah) no (lo') day (yowm - time reckoned from sunset to sunrise) and no (wa lo') night (laylah - darkness or gloom). And then (wa) light ('owr - brilliant illumination) shall exist (hayah - shall be) at (la) the point in time ('et - the specific season and proper duration) of sundown ('ereb - sunset, twilight, dusk, and early evening)." (ZakarYah / Zechariah 14:7) The NIV Hebrew English Interlinear renders this passage in the Hebrew order and in the compound form as: "And-it-will-be day unique. It-is-known to Yahweh. No daytime or-no nighttime. And-it-will-be at-time-of evening He-will-be light."
All of Yahweh's Miqra begin at sunset, the prior day. So the Day of Reconciliations, which is the tenth day of the seventh month, starts at twilight of the 9th day and culminates at sunset on the 10th. So, since Yahshua is returning to the Mount of Olives, His glorious final advent will occur just after sunset on October 2nd, 2033, which will be at 6:23 PM or just prior to sundown on October 3rd, which would ordinarily occur at 6:22 PM. It will be approaching lunchtime on the American East Coast - 11:23 AM - based upon the seven-hour time-zone differential. From YY Book 2 Chapter 7: Kippurim - ReconciliationsEdited by user Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:00:01 PM(UTC)
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