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Offline Matthew  
#1 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:02:20 PM(UTC)
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Openly gay US bishop Gene Robinson was forced to halt a sermon at a west London church after being heckled.

As Bishop Robinson began his sermon a member of the congregation repeatedly called him a "heretic" and said "repent, repent, repent".

He began his sermon by saying how sad it was that the Anglican Communion was tearing itself apart.

But he was stopped when the man in the congregation shouted that the schism was the bishop's fault...


Read more and watch the video clip here on the BBC News website.
Offline shalom82  
#2 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:24:59 PM(UTC)
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What was the slow clapping for? I am sorry I am not English...was that approval or something else? I pray for that young man that this provocation will sustain a thirst for truth. He certainly has a courage that was made manifest by the rest of the congregations sheep-like attitude.
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Offline CK  
#3 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 6:29:08 PM(UTC)
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I think the slow but increasingly loud clapping was an attempt to smother the young man's words from being heard. They disapproved of what he was saying. That was my take on it.

I say bravo young man! Bravo! It takes courage to speak the truth. He was not harsh. And I certainly wouldn't label him a heckler like the article stated. But again, that's my take on it. I guess it's all a matter of where one stands.

Homosexuality is an abomination. Scripture tells us this. Simple logistics of creation edifies it: A man and woman's body were created to fit together. A man's body does not fit another man's body, nor does a woman's body fit another woman's body.

To have some professed men and women of God tout that we are to accept a certain sin because they think it's okay with Yah is not something I can willingly do. Homosexuality is a sin. Adultery is a sin. Stealing is a sin. Coveting is a sin. And so on. Are we to accept these things as okay as well? Are we to say it's okay to steal, commit adultery, etc, - God is love and he understands?

Having said all that, I am not a gay basher. The young man was not bashing gays. He simply stated the truth. Return to the Gospels, and repent!
Offline Robskiwarrior  
#4 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2008 11:48:08 PM(UTC)
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see now this is where christianity kinda falls over on itself... Teaching that the law is done away with, and that we dont have to follow it anymore because it was "nailed to the cross" and so on produces this confusion. Its ok to be a gay priest, because the law dosnt matter anymore...
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Offline Matthew  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:11:37 AM(UTC)
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Icy, just a pity they forgot what Paul said in Romans chapter 1, he condemned unnatural desires (and a whole stack of others too).


Romans 1:20-32 (ISR) wrote:
"For since the creation of the world His invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, both His everlasting power and Mightiness, for them to be without excuse, because, although they knew Elohim, they did not esteem Him as Elohim, nor gave thanks, but became vain in their reasonings, and their undiscerning heart was darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and changed the esteem of the incorruptible Elohim into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds and of four-footed beasts and of reptiles. Therefore Elohim gave them up to uncleanness in the lust of their hearts, to disrespect their bodies among themselves, who changed the truth of Elohim into the falsehood, and worshiped and served what was created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Because of this Elohim gave them over to degrading passions. For even their women exchanged natural relations for what is against nature, and likewise, the men also, having left natural relations with woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing indecency, and receiving back the reward which was due for their straying. And even as they did not think it worthwhile to possess the knowledge of Elohim, Elohim gave them over to a worthless mind, to do what is improper, having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoring, wickedness, greed, evil; filled with envy, murder, fighting, deceit, evil habits; whisperers, slanderers, haters of Elohim, insolent, proud, boasters, devisers of evils, disobedient to parents, without discernment, covenant breakers, unloving, unforgiving, ruthless; who, though they know the righteousness of Elohim, that those who practise such deserve death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practise them."


They don't see themselves as the people he is referring too. They don't see themselves as committing murder, even though they're committing spiritual murder.
Offline shalom82  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:13:37 PM(UTC)
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The answer that proves the passage...

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On 'unnatural relationships'
In Romans 1:26-27, speaking of idolators in the Greek and Roman world, Paul writes: 'The men also abandoned natural relationships with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.' Although this verse has often been used as a licence to gay-bash, it's likely to have been intended to focus Christians' minds on the importance of procreation


The weight of the Roman's passage hits you like a ton of bricks. it's one of those messages of unmeasurable magnitude that reaches into the very heart of man's condition and illuminates with the most severe and palpable language.

It is one of those passages that no amount of accusation of gay bashing, or self reasoning or justification can assuage...and the meager and pathetic retort to this lofty passage does all the more to prove it's veracity.

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...they did not esteem Him as Elohim, nor gave thanks, but became vain in their reasonings, and their undiscerning heart was darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and changed the esteem of the incorruptible Elohim into the likeness of an image of corruptible man...

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....Therefore Elohim gave them up to uncleanness in the lust of their hearts...

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...And even as they did not think it worthwhile to possess the knowledge of Elohim, Elohim gave them over to a worthless mind, to do what is improper...


What can be said...they have been given over to what really matters to them. To them the Creator of the Universe is the grand marshall of the Gay Parade. They shall soon see their straw man god knocked down and know Elohim for what He is...Im Yirtsah YHWH

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:40:18 AM(UTC)
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This video report from CNN:

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Anglicans' bitter dispute (3:26)
The Anglican Communion is split on sexuality and women clergy. CNN's Jill Dougherty reports.
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Offline Yada  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:28:32 PM(UTC)
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Anglicans head to Canterbury for high-stakes Lambeth Conference
By Daniel Burke

For centuries, Anglicans have prided themselves on finding the via media -- the middle way -- through theological and political thickets.

But the decades-long debate on homosexuality within the worldwide Anglican Communion seems stuck in a cul-de-sac, many say. Full story
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Offline Yada  
#9 Posted : Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:20:51 AM(UTC)
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Anglicans seek to prevent church split

CANTERBURY, England (AP) -- The world's Anglican bishops turned Saturday to the enormous task at the heart of their once-a-decade summit: trying to keep the Anglican family from breaking apart over the Bible and homosexuality.

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Offline bitnet  
#10 Posted : Monday, July 21, 2008 12:34:51 AM(UTC)
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Does anybody sense another schism coming on soon? And can you imagine the repercussions and consequences that may come off this schism? Everything that you can imagine may probably happen, in varying degrees depending upon location.
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#11 Posted : Monday, July 21, 2008 10:53:08 AM(UTC)
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I hope there is a schism in a way bit...those that lose their faith or stay with the mainstream of Anglicanism...(a religious system that is lukecool at best) were and are anemic 98 pound spiritual weaklings (as kp put it) anyway...They can go and have cake with their vicars and sing HalleluYah like 8th grade boys in compulsory middle school chorus....

But a split for others could be a great blessing. They could realize the vanity and impotence of the Anglican church...while at the same time realizing there is an undeniable premise and truth that their Christianity was based on...They may get back to reading the scriptures and realize they want to belong to the family of YHWH....that they want to be faithful Talmidim of Yahushua Ha'Mashiach!!! At the least.....there would be a more faithful strain of Anglicanism...that doesn't pander to the world...as much...and that may give some people a fighting chance...later on...

Maybe I am being too callous, but that's how I see it

Yibarakhem YHWH (YHWH bless you All)

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Offline bitnet  
#12 Posted : Monday, July 21, 2008 8:36:27 PM(UTC)
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Shalom Shalom82,

No, you are not being callous in the littlest bit. Your thoughts reflect some of my sentiments and it is all positive as far as you have mentioned. Anything that happens to bring people back to the original messages and reconciliation with Abba Yahweh through Yahushua Ha'Maschiach is good.

Then again, I can also think of some other scenarios where some people actually lose faith altogether in religion, church and authority. Then there are those who hold on tighter to their traditions and start implementing all sorts of funny rules and end up, well, as a Pharisaical / rabbinic religion.

Then the other camp with all its liberty shall proceed to encourage others into believing that any lifestyle is OK as long as you dedicate it to god! And then the followers of the other religions and non-religions throw their weight in and before you know it there is social upheaval and severe polarisation leading to an economic breakdown and a revolution to re-establish society into various counties demarcated by religion and beliefs. When that happens more friction will happen as each camp builds up in numbers until a civil war erupts a la Lebanon. That's one way to kill societies according to the adversary. (Oh no! I'm really becoming Jewish by kvetching about things that have not yet happened!)

But seriously, things are sure to take on more twists and turns and I can imagine that Abba Yahweh would have seen all possible outcomes and knows that some good may come out of all of these relatively minor inconveniences.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:14:34 PM(UTC)
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Wednesday, July 23, 2008
More Canterbury Tales

In Canterbury for the once-a-decade gathering of Anglican bishops known as the Lambeth Conference, the archbishop of Sudan has called on the Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, the openly gay bishop of New Hampshire, to resign.

"Gene Robinson has to be away from the Anglican world and be a normal Christian,” said Archbishop Daniel Deng Bul at an afternoon news conference. "If he is, as he always says, a Christian, he should resign for the sake of the church."

Bishop of Fort Worth, Texas, Jack Iker, says the bishops who consecrated Robinson and continue…

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Offline Yada  
#14 Posted : Friday, July 25, 2008 2:24:17 AM(UTC)
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Rowan Williams: A quiet man in a very public job
By Daniel Burke

He leads an international fellowship of 77 million Anglicans but doesn't like to travel first class.

His official residence is a grand palace in London, but he and his family live in small rooms furnished like any other middle-class British home.

He is the successor of Sts. Augustine and Thomas Becket, but counts himself a fan of "The Simpsons."

With his bushy beard and black berets, Rowan Williams may more closely resemble the headmaster at Harry Potter's Hogwarts School of Witchcraft than previous archbishops of Canterbury. But the…

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