I agree with everything you said bitnet. Amein.
Favor and peace to you,
N
Edit:
kp wrote:Nag, by your seriously flawed logic, Yahweh doesn't use symbols or metaphors. You see "truth" as a literal reading of whatever's been said---and nothing more. (Actually, that's not quite right: your extrapolations on Revelation 13 are as ludicrous as they are unwarranted.) But let's take your philosophy to its logical conclusion. In Matthew 13, for example, you're saying Yahshua had no spiritual lessons to teach, but rather spoke only of (1) soil fertility, (2) weed eradication techniques, (3) avian infestations in herb crops, (4) how to make your bread rise, (5) treasure hunting, (6) buying and selling precious gems, (7) commercial fishing, and (8) how to be a successful packrat.
Let's get real here. In the same chapter, Yahshua explained that his use of Symbols and Metaphors was to introduce His followers to the truth while concealing those same truths from people who weren't prepared to accept it. He says, "It has been given to you [disciples] to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.’" (Matthew 13:11-15)
He was talking about you, I'm afraid. But it doesn't have to be that way. Please, my friend, open your eyes to the reality of Yahweh's symbols.
kp
Shalom,
No, kp, I was discussing
prophecy. I share the same understanding that you do concerning the parables of Messiah. The parables are told as allegories, for as you said, it is not given to everyone to understand them. Just to those whom Yahuweh chooses. To everyone else the parables are unintelligible.
Prophecy should be taken literally, unless it is explained in the context (such as Daniel 8), or expounded upon in some other place in Scripture. Revelation 11 and 13 are not explained, for the people, creatures and events in those chapters are literal. If most of Revelation is symbolic, as you say, then who is going to tell me what it represents? You? Me? The Pope (lol)?
Then I would be following the teachings of men, and not Elohim. Unless you think I should follow you? I am not being hateful, I am serious.
Seriously brothers and sisters, can we not discuss the teachings of Yahuweh with an open mind? My mind is open, as is my heart to you all in Messiah. But when I come across teachings (such as the "Rapture of the Church") that I know to be false, why should I read further? A little leaven leavens the whole lump. I shun these falsehoods like the plague, for I believed in such years ago. They destroy men's lives by giving them false hope. The Day of Yahuweh is near, and we may all very well be in it!
Let us all read the Scriptures, study, meditate, and most of all: cry out to Yahuweh for the truth daily!
I end this note with: Peace and favor to you all, in the love of YahuwehShua Messiah
Nagantmosin
I hope you all can remain peacable and loving to me. Shalom brothers.
Robskiwarrior wrote:Although this is getting terribly off topic, this is a forum to primeraly discuss the writings found on YY and FH. That discussion can not take place if a person has not read what is written. We don't say you have to agree with it, actually we like trying to question it, but reading it would be able to show you where most of us are coming from.
The problem is, how most of us view what is written in Scripture is so much different than Christians its hard to sum up in a sentance, also we take scripture as a whole so its hard to explain something without writing an essay. So please do take the time to read it, because otherwise I think you will miss the point :)
- Rob
Shalom Rob,
You explained to me something that I did not know. I will read the rest of FH in the next week or so, though the whole Christian "Rapture of the church" bit really bothers me. However, I have a lot of patience and love in Messiah, as I see you do. Shalom to you. I look forward to our discussions.
N
nagantmosin wrote:Rob,
Although Leviathan the 7-headed dragon is prolific in ancient history, I found that out AFTER I came to the understanding that He existed and is mentioned many times in the Scriptures, under several different names. Click on "Beast's Identities" at this website: (website link removed Topics that advocate false teachings and/or false teachers will be removed)
peace to you,
N
Edit: apologies for edit - Rob
Hmmmm. If false teachings are on the website that I posted, then prove them to be false. A fair challenge, unless someone that disagrees with you is automatically censured?
If some of you brothers were kings/sovereigns, and I was a subject in your nation, and I claimed to be a prophet and told you that a huge, undefeatable, 7-headed dragon that breathes fire was coming to the earth to dominate, destroy and rule over it.....what would happen to me? Publicly censured? A restraining order placed on me? Prison? Worse?
Or would you do what the Scripture says, and wait to see whether the prophecy happens or not?
Brothers, I encountered so many like some of you that were Christians, that did not have the love of Messiah in them. They "put up a front" that they were loving followers of the Saviour, but as soon as you disagreed and challenged something that they adamantly believed in, they seemed to turn into other creatures---and not nice creatures. You cannot imagine what I have seen from such people.
On a more positive note, I know that this does not concern all on this forum. I have met one or two that appear to have the love of Messiah in them.
If you do have the love of Messiah dwelling in you (this applies to all), then why not end your posts with something like Shaul wrote, then my heart would melt in love for you too in Messiah, even if we disagreed on small matters. It is not difficult to be kind and loving to each other, IF kindness and love is in our hearts. If it is not, then it cannot be hid.
How about:
Favor be with you
Peace be with you
The love of Messiah be with you,
Peace and favor be with you,
Yours in Messiah,
etc.
The favor and peace of Messiah YahuwehShua be with you all,
Nagantmosin