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Offline doncarp14  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2019 10:59:01 AM(UTC)
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You state that paul is calling the law a curse by him saying we are under a curse; but isnt he in fact saying we are under a curse, not because the law IS a curse, but for breaking gods law (as deuterononmy 27 states, and because we are all sinners and have broken gods law)?
Also, you take paul to task for using nomos in place of Torah; in matthew 22 when Yahowsha says "...all the law (torah, i assume) and prohets hang on these.." the word used there is also nomos, not torah...
Offline InHisName  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:45:49 AM(UTC)
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The “NT” text is unreliable. It is useless to debate what it means, because the text was never preserved. Per a study done by a Christian theologian there are more discrepancies in the text than there are words.

Your argument here is about the use of the Greek word nomos. Yahowsha didn’t speak Greek, so this is a translation of what He said, not what He actually said. If you don’t think He meant Torah, then what law was He speaking of? Could He mean that Yah’s words were dependent on Roman law? That was certainly the prevailing law of the land at that time. Or perhaps He was speaking of the law of the Pharisees and Jewish establishment. Neither of these are reasonable possibilities.

In context there is nothing but Torah that could have fit into that quote. But Torah is not law, it is teaching.
Sincerely, you need to put away the “NT” text, it is misleading and deadly. It will rob you of your soul, and your chance of LIFE in Yah’s family.
Offline doncarp14  
#3 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2019 7:21:38 AM(UTC)
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i am sure that he meant torah; that was the point. If he said torah it ended up in greek as "nomos"; the same thing with pauls writing---in other words greek translators may have thought nomos was acceptable word to convey torah as did paul.

the "NT" is the ony place we have Yahowsha's words; "putting it away" is certainly not an option for me, sorry it is for you.
I havent sen a response on my point about paul meaning the curse is from our breaking the law (as everyone has) and not the law itself..
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#4 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2019 1:00:50 PM(UTC)
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i am sure that he meant torah; that was the point. If he said torah it ended up in greek as "nomos";
There is a huge difference between teaching and law. One provides a moral compass, the other a legal entanglement. Since you are obviously christian, I assume the real question behind the question is salvation. Your BELIEF in the false notions of christianity will not gain you the salvation you seek. Yahowah saves His children as part of the benefits of His Family oriented Covenant as outlined in the story of Abraham.

the same thing with pauls writing---in other words greek translators may have thought nomos was acceptable word to convey torah as did paul.
So the meaning of the NT text is based on what greek translators believed? Who were these greek translators? What did they believe? Where are the original texts so we can go back and check?

the "NT"
Yahowah has only one testament. It is the Towrah, supplemented and supported by the Prophets and Psalms. This is another mistranslation, the OT text says the Covenant will be REnewed… the only change is that the Torah will be written on our hearts, literally incorporated into our being. This happens at the end of the Tribulation

is the ony place we have Yahowsha's words;
Yahowsha had no original words, everything reliably attested to Him is a quote or restatement from the TPP. In every argument/question he answered to look at the Towrah. His last words are the first line of Psalm 22, the remainder of Psalm 22 is an accurate description of His sacrifice. Yahowsha WAS the Word. Not what the word would become, but what the word was at that time and at that time the Word was the Torah-Prophets-Psalms.
"putting it away" is certainly not an option for me, sorry it is for you.

You have nothing to lose by putting away the “NT”, but everything to gain. I understand all of this is difficult to listen to. This was not easy for me or most of us here to put away. Even Yada started to write Questioning Paul with the expectation of vindicating Paul.

BTW – it is not Yada or those of us on this forum that came up with this notion. Yah’s primary precept of the covenant is that all religion (indeed all of man’s hierarchical organizations) are errant and destructive and take us away from him. In Habbukuk He directly calls Paul the Plague of Death.
If you would like an overview of God's Way, I would suggest you read the [url=http://anintroductiontogod.com/An_Introduction_to_God-05.0-Mitswah-His_Terms.Torah]Mitswa chapter of An Introduction To God/url] (100 pages).This will create more questions than it answers, especially if you do not finish QP first.

I havent sen a response on my point about paul meaning the curse is from our breaking the law (as everyone has) and not the law itself..
I believe the gist of Paul was that the “law” was the problem because it is impossible for us to live a perfect life and therefore the “law” (Towrah) condemns us. Therefore we should put away the OT and follow Paul’s teaching of faith and grace (roman goddesses) and salvation through the sacrifice of “Jesus”. In other words Yahowah just didn’t think this through well enough and so had to come up with plan B (Jesus) and sent Paul to share the word.

I hope you can follow this through to the end, the reward is here. Open your eyes, ears and mind so you can understand and come to KNOW Yah.

Yada Yah
Allen

***If you would like to confront the author directly just click the email link on the QP homepage. He does not visit this forum.
Offline Stewart James  
#5 Posted : Friday, November 8, 2019 10:47:39 PM(UTC)
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My answer to your question would be that Paul called the Torah "Law", so if you comprhend that Paul depicted the Torah as "Law" and the Law cannot save you, then in reality he is saying the Torah cannot save you!

Calling the law a curse, is then like calling the Torah/Towrah a curse, but then you just have to ask why Yah would provide His words and Torah/Towrah instructions to curse men? It makes no sense. A plain and simple Paulian lie!

If you want to do away with the law (Torah), then you might just as well do away with the "Bible" babble, since the "Bible" would not exist had it not been for the Torah!

The very foundtion of Yah's words are to be found in the Torah, the instructions of life, not law! So therefore if you do away with the Torah and bring in a corrupted Bible and Faith instead of knowing what Yah has to say through his own Torah/Towrah, then you have done away with Yah's words, thanks to Paul.

It's just Paul's trick to turn Torah/Towrah into "Law" thus the Law caannot save you, but faith alone in him and a false name instead of knowing the truth!

Truth is, Paul is a false teacher and a liar!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken, or cease being honest!
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