Originally Posted by: Bubsy Here are a couple things that argue for a sundown-to-sundown reckoning of a day:
1. As I recall, sundown was reckoned to be the end of the day. So it isn't so much that the evening BEGINS a day as that sundown ENDS the day (and a new one consequently begins).
2. When Yahowsha fulfilled Passover, he ate the Passover meal with his disciples after sundown. Then before the next sundown he WAS the Passover Lamb, sacrificed on an upright pole, blood of the Lamb smeared on the upright post and horizontal lintel in accordance with the Torah instructions for Passover. A sundown-to-sundown day allowed Yahowsha both to eat the Passover meal and be the Passover lamb on the same day. I have heard Yada speculate that this alone might have been the main reason to reckon a day as sundown-to-sundown.
You do provide an impressive list for reckoning the day to begin with the morning, as man kind of does today, reckoning a day to run from 12:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. If you can reconcile your list with Yahowsha both eating the Passover and BEING the Passover on the ultimate fulfillment of Passover, I think we'll be very close to the truth.
I understand what yo are saying and it certainly makes sense that sundown ends the day.
I am posting here the other part of my study which refers to Jesus! This was before my education, so don't worry, I know it is Yahowsha!
Just as it was with Jesus Christ, He is, “The Light of the World” who made all that there is, he is "The Word of God" come to earth in the flesh!
I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. John 12:46
The first point to observe - and this can be proven by reading your own bible is to understand who Jesus really is and who actually made “All things” as described in John 1:1-3 and in the first chapters of Genesis. This includes who made a day and who speaks of such things!
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made, without him nothing was made that has been made. John 1:1-3
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. John 1: 10
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. John 1:14
Everything was made by “The Word” Jesus Christ, including the Sabbath and the light to separate day from night. So as you can prove, Jesus is “The Word of God”.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. Revelation 19:13
Read the passage 12,13 and 14, this is talking of Jesus second coming. Irrefutable proof that Jesus IS “The Word”
Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light. It is when he walks by night that he stumbles, for he has no light." John 11:9.
Since you can see that Jesus made everything, including the day, is he not the author of light? So should we believe him because he would know? Yes, of course!
There is a great deal of duality in the bible, where there are comparable meanings in a symbol of it’s meaning. Without light, how can you see your way? Without Jesus who made all that there is, how can you see the truth? Thus Jesus is The Light and The Way!
Further NT passages!
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb. Mark 16: 1-2
At daybreak Jesus went out to a solitary place….. Luke 4:42 Here we have the break of day, not the break of evening!
Note: This is the first day of the week just after sunrise! The Sabbath was over and it was sunrise, the first day, not first night, sunrise confirms when the day begins! The following passage confirms the same.
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. Luke 24:1
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. Luke 4:16
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "today--yes, tonight--before the rooster crows twice you yourself will disown me three times." Mark 14:30 Today and tonight – the same day!
When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, John 6:16 --- The next day the crowd that had stayed on the opposite shore of the lake ….. John 6:22 They came to the lake at evening, so next day is after the evening!
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:4-5
Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark does not know where he is going. John 12:35. Are you keeping your Sabbath at night and walking in the dark?
I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. John 12:46. Jesus is the light, not the darkness of evening!
Don’t you ever wonder why Jesus said He is the light of the world? There is such duality in scripture. He made all things, including the light of this world, the day and the Sun, so He is the Light. So why would Jesus bring the light to this world and tell us to keep the Sabbath at night? Since darkness pre existed the light of day, if a Sabbath were to be at night, what use would there be in a day? Does it make sense? Is there any kind of duality in that? Jesus knows and tells us we will stumble at night!
That evening after sunset the people brought to Jesus all the sick and demon possessed. Mark 1:32 That evening, after sunset, the people brought all the sick, this has nothing to do with the beginning of a day, or Sabbath, it shows Jesus in his compassion healing the sick in the evening. This passages shows Jesus’s works!
They seized Peter and John, and because it was evening, they put them in jail until the next day. Acts 4:3. It was evening, so next day is morning at daybreak! That is pretty clear, next day is after night!
During the night Paul had a vision of a man of Macedonia standing and begging him, "Come over to Macedonia and help us. "After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them. From Troas we put out to sea and sailed straight for Samothrace, and the next day on to Neapolis. Acts 16:9-11
So the soldiers, carrying out their orders, took Paul with them during the night and brought him as far as Antipatris. The next day they let the cavalry go on with him, while they returned to the barracks. Acts 23:31-32
The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Romans 13:12.
Final note: When “Day” “Morning” “Light” “Dawn” “Sunrise” “Daybreak” “Next Day” are spoken of in the bible, it means day time when the light of the sun is present to guide us. Most of the activities of The Israelites can be seen to be happening during daylight hours, with few happening at night time! We must accept that day means day, not night! If not, then we are going against God’s own words!
How much more evidence do you need?
Grow in knowledge, search the Bible for truth and ……
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Ephesians 4:14.
You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:5 7
For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8 Another clear passage!
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Be very careful, then, how you live-- not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Ephesians 5:8-17.
Yes, this even included Paul, but I was still in Christianity at the time of writing!
Anyway, in another post I mentioned that I did not know what to believe from the New Testament, so make of this what you will. Some may be true and some not, you can decide, but you can see the same thread from new to old tstament, which is what I was trying to show!
I see what you are saying with passover and of course passover is a special even to even instruction as mentioned in my first post!
At the end of the day (pun intended) It all boils down to Moses (boil and bake also operative) and how he was directly instructed by God, no man can deny this and I am not willing to either. So far as I can see the Torah is so similar to my bibles in this point!
Everyone has to decide what it truth and for me, this is one point I arrived at with my studies even with a bible in hand!