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W from above continues W wrote:Quote:Goodbye, Wayne.
You are too super duper special for me. I'm going to stick with the Towrah and Prophets revelations that have been made available to all of us. No one has led me astray. I have been shown knowledge no one else knows of. I know I am. I don’t settle for the edicts and limitations of man and his religions as to what I should and should not study, but I am willing to help you to become more knowledgeable, in spite of your arrogance and condescending nature. Where is your common sense Yada? Quote:Keep it to yourself then, W. No, it’s too late for that. I have a Facebook group I created several years ago to teach and discuss the calendar of Enoch. The membership of the group far surpasses any listenership of your radio show and your Friday Night Shabbat thing. Quote:By the way, ole secret knowledge one, chodesh is from chadash and means renew. Qodesh is set apart. Wake up. That’s exactly what I said earlier. It does not mean moon. Quote:As for Enoch, you have to be even dumber than I thought you were to consider it valid if that is indeed what you are implying. That book not only has zip to do with the actual Enoch, it's obvious that it was created in the 2nd century CE and is a complete hoax, a total fraud, thus fodder for unthinking morons. It's as absurd and as errant as the Qur'an. Walk up. You are making an absolute ass of yourself. The entire book is a joke. It is not only contrary to the Towrah, and thus wrong, it is contrary to history and science. If this is the limit of your thinking, it’s no wonder you are deceived. As expected, you follow the erroneous conclusions of academia and it’s ridiculous carbon dating. As with everything made by man, nothing made by man is forever. All of the ancient literature had to be reproduced over time, as materials began to deteriorate. Even the kings of Yahudah were commanded to reproduce the Torah during their reign so a fresh copy would carry on the word of our Father. If you discard the books of the Apocrypha for this reason, you must also discard the Torah, Prophets, Psalms, etc. for the same reason. Quote:Go away and bother someone else. Or better yet, shut up and appear stupid rather than continue to write and remove all doubt. The only one appearing to be stupid is you. As I mentioned earlier, you have no SCRIPTURAL basis for anything you teach or follow. All you have are the traditions and doctrines of man’s religions, the very thing you claim not to follow. Can you say HYPOCRITE? Yada wrote: W,
I am dumbfounded by your lack of knowledge and sense. I've received thousands of emails from Muslims, but your assessments are even less rational than theirs. But then again, your book and theirs have a lot in common.
If you are the source of the false teaching on Enoch, then you are among the worst of the worst. Shame on you. I have wondered who was the source of such preposterous lies. Now I know. All that remains to understand is how anyone has been moronic enough to believe you. The book of Enoch is beneath contempt.
Since I have no interest in leading people astray or of promoting fraudulent material, there is nothing you can teach me. And I have no interest in teaching you the Towrah.
Yahowah and Yahowsha' both said that the broad and popular way leads to death and destruction. So you may want to rethink your proposition that you are right because you are more popular. That is a fallacy, like most everything you have written, just like the book you are promoting.
The way you responded to being corrected on your errant rendering of chodesh says it all. You have to change the meaning of chodesh to set apart, and ignore its verbal root, chadash, to renew, to establish your faulty proposition that there is no way to establish the timing of the Miqra'ey in the Towrah. But denial is your nature. It is who you are. It is what you must be to accept Enoch. For example, you cannot deal with the conflicts between the Towrah and Enoch, between history and Enoch, or between science and Enoch. You can't deal with the fact that Enoch was written in the 2nd century CE under a pseudonym. You don't even know that these issues exist - much less that they prove that Enoch is false. And even if the many hundreds of conflicts between Enoch and the Towrah and Enoch and reality were pointed out to you, you would pass right by them without consideration, as if these conflicts were somehow irrelevant.
But at least now I can blame you for all of the fools you have led astray with your Enoch rubbish. I receive a letter or two promoting this nonsense every six months or so and have been curious as to how they could have been misled regarding something so obviously wrong. That book is worse than a sick joke. No wonder you have to claim to know something no one else knows.
You are not just ignorant and irrational, you are evil, W. Thankfully, there will be a consequence for what you have done. And you will have earned it. Enjoy She'owl. You'll surely find the author of Enoch waiting for you there.
I can't even imagine believing in a god that was responsible for the lies in Enoch. It isn't even to the standard of man. You'd find more truth in the Book of Mormon or Scientology or the God Damn Qur'an. Enoch may be the only book I've read that could compete with the Qur'an when it comes to trash being promoted as godly.
Now that I know who you are, I'll have nothing more to do with you.
Yada
Yada wrote:You have a number of problems, W, any one of which destroys your proposition. And while what follows would cause a rational person to disregard and reject everything you have written, I don’t expect that any of this will faze you. I only wrote it because it may one day awaken someone you have misled.
1) If Yahowah told Yisra’el, which He did in His Towrah, to meet with Him on specific dates back in 1450 BCE, but didn’t bother to explain how to determine those dates prior to the writing of Enoch in the 2nd century CE, He would have been an idiot. Is your god an idiot?
2) Since Yahowah told Yisra’el in His Towrah how to go about determining when to meet with Him, proof of which is presented below, your premise is completely invalid. Without a valid premise, you are a deceiver.
3) Every word in the Towrah is true. It was inspired by Yahowah. It is filled with prophecy to prove His authorship. It is accurate historically and scientifically. It is without contradiction.
4) The book of Enoch contradicts the Towrah in hundreds of ways. It is filled with many errant predictions. It is invalid historically and scientifically. It was not written by Enoch. It is appalling that anyone would attribute such an errant and mythological text to God. Enoch is no better than the Qur’an, no better than the Book of Mormon, and far worse than the Talmud. The notion that you want people to believe that God inspired such garbage is insulting, irrational, and demonic.
5) Yahowah provided us with a test in Dabarym to determine whether or not someone was speaking for Him. Enoch fails every aspect of His test. It, therefore, is not from Yahowah.
6) Dowd / David was inspired to write: “Yahowah’s (efei) Towrah (Towrah – Teaching, Guidance, Instruction, and Direction) is complete and entirely perfect (tamym – without defect, lacking nothing, correct, sound, genuine, right, helpful, beneficial, and true), returning, restoring, and transforming (suwb – turning around, bringing back, and renewing) the soul (nepesh – consciousness). Yahowah’s (efei) everlasting testimony (‘eduwth – restoring witness) is trustworthy and reliable (‘aman – verifiable, confirming, supportive, and establishing), making understanding (hakam – educating and enlightening to the point of comprehension) simple for the open-minded (pethy).” (Mizmowr / Psalm 19:7) It cannot therefore lack the information to do as Yahowah requests. This alone destroys your proposition.
7) Yahowah defined ‘abyb, the first month of His year, in Shemowth / Names / Exodus 9:31, saying: The flax (pistah – a slender erect annual with blue flowers in the spring, used for making linen fibers and for burning in oil lamps) and the barley (so’rah – early ripening cereal grain) were knocked down (nakah – struck down and destroyed), for the flax was budding (gibo’l – beginning to bloom) and the barley was in the ear (‘abyb – the grain was still soft and moist in the head and not fully dried).” (Shemowth / Names / Exodus 9:31) (The reference to barley follows flax in the MT, but not the DSS.) This was written in conjunction with the first Pesach. With ‘Abyb defined, the rest is easy.
8) Yahowah’s year begins in ‘Abyb once the first renewal of light on the moon is seen following the grain of barley appearing in the ear of the plant. This timing provided a way to synchronize twelve or thirteen 29.5-day lunar months with the 365.25-day solar year. The reason that it is important in this passage is because Yahowah is telling us that the first official Passover, now just fourteen days away, would occur in harmony with the Qara’ / Leviticus 23 date. And since Passover is celebrated annually on the fourteenth day of ‘Abyb, Yahowah is telling us that the Miqra’ey and the Exodus present the same plan and timeline.
9) In His introduction to His Miqra’ey, Yahowah conveyed the following to Moseh: “And (wa) Yahowah spoke these words (dabar – communicated these statements) to (‘el – as Almighty God to) Moseh (Moseh – from mashah, one who draws us out), in order to (la) promise and say (‘amar – answer and declare), ‘Please convey the Word (dabar – scribed in the piel stem and imperative mood, God actually said: I want you to communicate this message under the auspices of freewill, knowing that My Word will achieve the desired result) of God on behalf of (‘el) the Children (beny) of Yisra’el (Yisra’el – from ‘ysh sarah and ‘el, individuals who engage and endure with God).
And so (wa) you should literally and completely convey (‘amar – scribed in the qal stem and perfect conjugation which tells us that these instructions pertain to a relationship, that they should be literally interpreted, that they speak of actual events, promises which are whole and complete throughout time, saying) to them that these Godly (‘el) Appointed Meeting Times (mow’ed – fixed assembly and betrothal appointments, festival feasts at a specific designated time and place which focus on the purpose assigned by the Authority) of Yahowah, which are (‘asher – fortuitous blessings associated with the relationship and are) Set-Apart (qodesh – separating, cleansing, and purifying) Invitations to be Called Out and to Meet (miqra’ey – an assembly to communicate a specific purpose; from qara’, to call out, to read, and recite, to meet, to greet, and to welcome), to be near them (‘eth – and with them), shall be continuously proclaimed by you (qara’ – scribed using the qal stem and imperfect conjugation to say: you shall actually and always, genuinely throughout time, called out, read aloud, and recite this as invitations to meet) as they are My Godly Appointed Meeting Times (‘eleh hem mow’ed – because they represent My fixed assembly and betrothal appointments, My festival feasts at My designated place and time and for the purpose which I assign).’” (Qara’ / Called Out / Leviticus 23:1-2)
“These Godly (‘eleh) Appointed Meeting Times (mow’ed – fixed assembly and betrothal appointments, festival feasts at a specific designated time and place which focus on the purpose assigned by the Authority) of Yahowah, are Set-Apart (qodesh – separating, cleansing, and purifying) Invitations to be Called Out and to Meet (miqra’ey – assemblies to communicate a specific purpose; from qara’, to call out, to read, and recite, to meet, to greet, and to welcome), for the relationship and for your benefit, for you to be called out and welcomed (‘asher qara’ – for you to proclaim, to meet, to read, and to recite (qal imperfect)), approaching with them (‘eth) in their appointed time (ba mow’ed – on the scheduled meeting date).” (Qara’ / Called Out / Leviticus 23:4)
“In (ba) the (ha) first (ri’shown – and foremost) month (chodesh – time of renewal) [Abyb – the month young barley ears form and green], on the fourteenth (‘arba’ ‘asar) of (la) the (ha) month (chodesh – time of renewal) for the purpose of understanding at (byn / bayn – between and within the interval of as an aid to comprehension at) twilight (ha ‘ereb – sunset), is Passover (Pesach – act of sparing and providing immunity; from pacach, to pass over) according to (la – to move toward and to approach) Yahowah.” (Qara’ / Called Out / Leviticus 23:5)
All we have to do is think. And that begins by coming to understand that the meaning of Hebrew words is derived from their verbal root. And the verbal root of chodesh is chadash, which means to “renew.” Therefore, the first renewing light on the moon nearest the time barely is ‘abyb (typically around the Vernal Equinox as barley is among the earliest grains to bud in the Spring) begins the month of ‘Abyb, the first of the year. Count 14 days, and you have Pesach.
There is your proof.
But that's not really accurate. I did not write this for you. It won't do you any good. You are too far gone. But it will serve as proof that no one should ever trust you, Wayne. You are no better than the Book of Enoch.
Have fun finding your 5,000 foot tall giants.
Goodbye and good riddance. Larry wrote:Ever Hear of Trauwah clown ? It represents one of the 7 harvests and is at "Harvest time" and on that new moon (the only Mowed on a new Moon is Taruwah " Amos could not deliver his goods . Can you read ? 8:5
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“In
(ba)
the
(ha)
seventh
(shabi’y
– seventh in a series involving time, space, or a set of things) month
(chodesh
– renewed moon when the crescent reappears),
on the first
(‘echad
– one in a series involving time, space, or a set of things) of
the renewed moon
(chodesh
– new month),
there exists
(hayah
– was, is, and will be) for
(la)
you
all
(‘atim),
a Shabathown
(Shabathown
– a special set-apart day to rest and reflect on God’s promises, when man puts
an end to his work, ceasing and desisting from it),
the memorial sign and mental reminder of an inheritance right(zikarown
– an official record which helps us be mindful, recording, recalling, and
remembering to claim possession of our covenant-based inheritance):
Taruw’ah
(Taruw’ah
– sounding a warning and shouting for joy, the announcement of a healing
gateway),
a cleansing and set-apart
(qodesh)Invitation
to be Called Out and Meet
(Miqra’
– a summons to gather together for the purpose of meeting, reading, and
reciting).”
(Qara’
/ Called Out / Leviticus 23:24 )
Wayne wrote:Clown?
Listen up Dirt Mouth
This is an example of the errors/deception of Yada in his rewriting of the scriptures. Chodesh means head of the month, renewal, set apart, it does not mean moon. Moon is an English word and there are no instructions to determine a crescent moon as a new moon. Yada is adding to the word of our Father to suit his lunacy agenda, which is forbidden lunacy or not. Obviously that means nothing to you, being a deceiver yourself. So, I’ll explain the truth to you. Listen up Dummy!
Leviticus 23:24“Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you have a rest, a remembrance of blowing of trumpets, a set-apart gathering.
In your ignorance and rejection of the book of Jubilees you miss an important part of the seventh month.
Jubilees 6:23 And on the new month of the first month, and on the new month of the fourth month, and on the new month of the seventh month, and on the new month of the tenth month are the days of remembrance, and the days of the seasons in the four divisions of the year. These are written and ordained as a testimony forever.
These are the four leaders of the seasons on the calendar of our Father. Since you are worshippers of the moon, you have no seasons on you little world as the moon does not determine the seasons. Remember those squid wanting to spawn?
On the calendar of our Father, the day preceding the Day of Trumpets, is the third leader of the seasons, the fall equinox. The four leaders of the seasons are not counted in the days of the months, but they will always fall on the Sabbath of the thirteenth week of each season. These dates coincide with events of Noah and the flood, so they are special Sabbaths that give remembrance to Noah and the flood for saving us.
The story of David in the field for three days is a good example. You see, David observed the true calendar of our Father, unlike you heathen. So, let’s take a look at David’s story.
1 Samuel 20:5 And Dawiḏ said to Yehonathan, “See, tomorrow is the New Month and I ought to sit with the sovereign to eat. But let me go and I shall hide in the field until the third day at evening.
The reason for the three days is this. The first day is a Sabbath, a special Sabbath that is a remembrance of Noah and the flood, on the day of the third leader of the seasons. All of the rules of the Sabbath apply on this day, so David was forbidden to travel.
The following day is the Day of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month, a set apart day, a day of rest and remembrance of blowing of trumpets, a set apart gathering. You may want to tell Yada that there is no golf on this day or the day before.
On the third day David is in the field waiting for Yehonathan to arrive and give him news of Saul.
That’s how it works on the real calendar of our Father.
I notice you failed to answer my questions. I can help you if it’s too much for you. You let me know DM
WT Yada wrote:Stupid is as stupid says...
2318 חָדַשׁ [chadash /khaw·dash/] v. A primitive root; TWOT 613; GK 2542; 10 occurrences; AV translates as “renew” seven times, and “repair” three times. 1 to be new, renew, repair. 1A (Piel). 1A1 to renew, make anew. 1A2 to repair. 1B (Hithpael) to renew oneself.
2319 חָדָשׁ [chadash /khaw·dawsh/] adj. From 2318; TWOT 613a; GK 2543; 53 occurrences; AV translates as “new” 48 times, “new thing” four times, and “fresh” once. 1 new, new thing, fresh.
2320 חֹדֶשׁ [chodesh /kho·desh/] n m. From 2318; TWOT 613b; GK 2544; 276 occurrences; AV translates as “month” 254 times, “new moon” 20 times, “monthly” once, and “another” once. 1 the new moon, month, monthly. 1A the first day of the month. 1B the lunar month.
Much of your mythology is based upon misrepresenting chodesh. Properly translated, it becomes easy to answer Yahowah's Invitations at the appropriate time. But you deny this because the truth destroys everything you represent.
Not only did God preclude your premise, explaining when to meet with Him in His Towrah, only a complete fool would believe that the Book of Enoch was genuine, destroying your solution. Your entire message is a fraud, as is the Book of Enoch upon which it is based. You are leading people astray.
We devoted an entire two hour program to Enoch. A Covenant member compared the book to the Towrah, to history, and to science. It was so obviously fraudulent, our only question was how ignorant and irrational would someone have to be to actually believe Yahowah contradicted Himself, making an utter fool of Himself, to inspire it?
But at least you have one thing right, we despise you. We not only see you as a lying deceiving and demonic scumbag promoting the Book of Enoch as if its absurd mythology was Godly, we will continue to go out of our way to denounce you and your deception every chance we get. It is what Yahowah and Yahowsha' did with similar scum.
And to think that you picked this fight, hypocritically calling me a liar based upon your own pile of rational fallacies and errant associations.
Every aspect of your proposition, from premise to resolution is irrational.
W wrote:Hey Dirt Mouth,
While you’re sleeping it off, I’m going to give you a lesson in the truth.
The book of Jubilees was Christian and Jewish canon at one time or another. It still exists in the Ethiopian canon. In the mid 1800’s an English Bible society group successfully petitioned to have it removed from canon. You must be descendants of these heathen. Here you are mentioned in Jubilees 1:12 And I will send witnesses unto them, that I may witness against them, but they will not hear, and will slay the witnesses also, and they will persecute those who seek the Torah, and they will abrogate and change everything so as to work evil before My eyes.
The author of Jubilees is the Malak of Presence, so you may want to go easy on your condemnation. Jubilees 1:27 And He said to the Malak of the presence: Write for Mosheh from the beginning of creation till My sanctuary has been built among them for all eternity.
Enoch, the first man to learn reading and writing, was also given the wisdom and authority to reveal the calendar of our Father.
Jubilees 4:16 And in the eleventh jubilee Jared took to himself a wife, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father's brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, and she bare him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and he called his name Enoch.
17 And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learned writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months.
18 And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Shabbats of the years as we made them, known to him.
Here’s the bad news for you and Yada. This is the warning about the false calendar and Sabbath you guys teach.
Jubilees 6:36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon, how it disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.
37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the chodesh with the unclean, and the unclean day with the chodesh; for they will go wrong as to the months and Shabbats and feasts and jubilees.
38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you may testify to them; for after your death your children will disturb them, so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new months and seasons and Shabbats and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
Whew! That’s quite an ass chewin for you boys. All you have to do is repent of your sins and all will be forgiven.
WT W wrote:Hey Dirt Mouth.
Are you sober yet? You must have tied one on last night judging by the typos, improper terminology and the appearance of key board slurring. That’s ok, a nasty bastard like you needs a bottle from time to time.
However, you didn’t answer my questions. Maybe you were too bleary eyed to read them? Let’s try again, practice makes perfect.
1. How was the Sabbath determined before the creation of the Roman calendar in 46 BC?
2. Where in scripture are we given instructions to formulate a lunar calendar?
This is your second attempt DM, I am not going to repeat this offer many more times. I gave Yada more opportunities, but that’s because I hate him less that you. So come on, get your thinking cap on, I know how hard this is for you and the fear of facing the wrath of the church can be overwhelming. I’ll even allow you to ask the rest of your coven of demons to help you, not that they know anything either.
From all appearances it’s you and Yada who can’t find the true Sabbath of our Father. Of course, being one of the sheeple who follow the ways of man and his religions, is easier than thinking for yourself.
Take for instance an independent thinker such as myself, a nonconformist type who isn’t bound by the restrictions of a church or religion. I can easily answer the questions.
You by contrast can’t answer the questions, as your answer would be proof of your deceit. This would destroy the little notoriety you get from the sheeple who listen to you.
So, come on Dirt Mouth, put the bottle down and tell the church to kiss your ass, you need not be scared anymore. Answer the questions best you can and I’ll teach you the rest. As black as they are, I’m willing to save the souls of you and Yada.
WT W wrote:Hey Dirt Mouth, is this all you can muster up?
What’s laughable is your wanting to correct someone’s terminology, when you can not answer two simple questions of great importance.
Ok Dirt Mouth, here is your chance to shine. Let’s see if you can answer the two questions.
1. How was the Sabbath determined before the creation of the Roman calendar in 46 BC?
2. Where in scripture are we given instructions to formulate a lunar calendar?
Yada has been babbling all day about one thing or another because he can’t answer the questions, or won’t answer the questions and expose himself as a deceiver and Sabbath breaker.
Let’s see how you do.
WT Larry wrote:Mr Enoch I suppose all those who lived prior to the invention of the fraudulent deleterious book couldn't find the 7th day hey ? Brilliant . In fact like you so brilliant you thought because a couple of small smatterings of the camp fire story were found in Qum'ran it made them authentic . Now that is laughable . As a retarded man you should be quite because to everyone who have read your posts you like like an ass , It is fun however and we are having a great laugh based on the fact you cannot tell Mowed from Shabat bwahahahahaha
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