Quote:I notice that you did not answer any of Jojocc's very valid points, mainly, that if Paul is a rogue, then the whole of the renewed covenant starts to fall to pieces.
Well, I don't think anyone on here answers all the points one makes. Neither were the majority of the points I had made answered, just selected ones that were easier to answer. The difficult ones were left unanswered. But to answer your assertion that the whole of the Renewed Covenant falls apart on Paul being a rogue is simplistic. The RC is not based on whether Paul or any of the Apostles were correct in their writings (see Dead Sea Scrolls), but on Yahshua being resurrected from the dead. He, Yahshua is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Quote:The Greek apostolos (Apostle) actually occurres 81 times in the RC.
That's a lot more than 19.
How I came to that number was by doing a search through E-Sword of the word
Apostle. The number you came to may be derivations of the word apostle or sent out one, but on the singular word apostle there are only 19 references. Now, on the word
apostles there are another 60 references. So, when it comes to hair splittin' I stand corrected and repent in sackcloth and ashes. ;)
I find it interesting that we can all agree (for the most part) both from YY and the writers that came before who were sources for YY, such as Hislop and Coster, that...
1. The scriptures we know as
cannon were tampered with.
2. The sacred names were altered.
3. The cannon was selected by Constantine omitting many manuscripts.
Quote:We have to take the scriptures in faith, and as the basis of our faith subject to problems of translation and tampering.
Has anyone ever considered that... 4. The Pauline Epistles were prefered over others with the view of church organization, i.e. the Catholic Church, to bring unity in the Roman Empire, as a means of control?
I believe we should study, examine, and test everything regarding the cannon of scripture. If we can do it with mistranslations/transliterations and see the hand of the enemy in those, then why can't the whole of the cannon be examined considering that its choice of manuscripts we now accept as the TRUTH were MINIPULATED by Constantine, who NO DOUBT was an enemy of Yah El!
Let me be perfectly clear. I believe that the only TRUTH was that which Yahshua Himself taught to His Talmidim, of which I hold in question Paul as one of Yahshua's Talmidim, until proven from study of all documents to be also a Talmidim of Yahshua. So far I only have his (Paul's) word for it from the Constantine cannon. How much of Paul's Epistles were tampered with?
Yahshua was a "Nazarene", a term that refers to
Quote:a member of the Essene movement associated with Mount Carmel in Northern Israel.
My research continually brings me back to this fact. The absolute truth of what Yahshua taught is hidden in this long forgotten group of Nazarene Essenes. This was the NARROW PATH Yahshua taught. To walk the wide path only took two small steps. The first step was probably Paul's doctrine -
(as I have not completely made up my mind as I am still researching) and the second step was the formation of the Catholic Church under Constantine, or as Yada so succinctly calls it
God Damned Religion! Another question which arises in my mind is WHEN did this God Damned Religion actually start? Did it start at Paulinism? Did it start at Catholicism? Or did it start way, way before at ancient Babylon? Perhaps all are correct?
Here are a few interesting articles on this subject of Paul.
YAHOWSHUA OR PAUL?
ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY
AN EXPOSE´ AND CALL TO ACTION
by Rev. Abba Nazariah, D.D.
http://essenes.net/NazPaul.htmThe Problem of Paul
http://essenes.net/paul1.htmThe Verdict
http://www.jesuswordsonl...from%2019b%20revised.pdfThe Unprecedented Corruption
By Paulinism of Bible Analysis
http://www.jesuswordsonl...ruptionBibleAnalysis.pdfAnd finally we must consider the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the deception and controversy surrounding them. Because of the scrolls pointing directly at the Nazarene Essense as the Original followers of Yahshua of which Yahshua was a member and the prophesied Messiah.
Quote:From The Publisher:
Over the last two years a controversy has erupted in the world's press over the Dead Sea Scrolls that were found in caves 20 miles east of Jerusalem between 1947 and 1956. Professor Geza Vermes of Oxford calls it "the academic scandal par excellence of the twentieth century", Professor Morton Smith of Columbia University protests that "there is no justification for the cover-up", and Professor Robert Eisenman of California says "we're tired of being treated contemptuously".
Working closely with Eisenman - one of the foremost experts in biblical archaeology and scholarship - Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh have succeeded in uncovering the story of how and why up to 75 per cent of the eight hundred ancient Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts, hidden for some nineteen centuries, still remain concealed from the world today. But their book is more than an exposé of a bitter struggle between scholars who have begun passing round bootlegged photographs of scrolls yet to be released. Through interviews, historical analysis and a close study of both published and unpublished scroll material, the authors are able to reveal the true cause of all the trouble, for these documents disclose nothing less than a new account of the origins of Christianity and an alternative and highly significant version of much of the New Testament.
The oldest Biblical manuscripts in existence, the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in caves near Jerusalem in 1947, only to be kept a tightly held secret for nearly fifty more years, until the Huntington Library unleashed a storm of controversy in 1991 by releasing copies of the Scrolls. In this gripping investigation authors Baigent and Leigh set out to discover how a small coterie of orthodox biblical scholars gained control over the Scrolls, allowing access to no outsiders and issuing a strict "consensus" interpretation. The authors' questions begin in Israel, then lead them to the corridors of the Vatican and into the offices of the Inquisition. With the help of independent scholars, historical research, and careful analysis of available texts, the authors reveal what was at stake for these orthodox guardians: The Scrolls present startling insights into early Christianity -- insights that challenge the Church's version of the "facts." More than just a dramatic exposé of the intrigues surrounding these priceless documents, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception presents nothing less than a new, highly significant perspective on Christianity.
From here
http://www.centuryone.com/2761-1.htmlNOTE: Just because I refer to another's opinion does not mean I agree with everything they might opine. I am certain Winn and Powers would agree that we are to test all things, even the things they assert, for men such as these do not seek Sycophants.
There is a TRUTH. The Truth is Yahshua. Only the truth can set you free.
Yah Bless!
YahWarrior
Harry