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Mat 9: 14-17 Quote:Then, at that time, the disciples and followers, pupils and learners, apprentices and adherents of Yahuchanon approach, draw and come near to Him, saying and teaching, maintaining and affirming, directing and exhorting, advising and pointing out, “Through the means of and on the grounds of, on account of and for the reason of, on the basis of and because of what reason do we and the Pharisees fast, abstaining from food for religious purposes, yet your own disciples and followers, pupils and learners, apprentices and adherents do not fast, never abstaining from food for religious purposes?” So Yahushua* said to them, “Throughout the amount of time that the bridegroom is and exists together with them, the sons of the bridal chamber, the bridegrooms guests, are not powerful or mighty, able or capable, forceful or influenceable, authorised or significant, competent or excellent enough to grieve and show remorse, lament and mourn, be sad and be in emotional pain. But nevertheless, the days and times, ages and seasons will come to be and exist, arise and appear in their view when the bridegroom may be taken away and lifted up, carried off and removed from their presence, becoming separate from them, and then, at that time, they will fast, abstaining from food. Now, no one, nobody and nothing casts and throws, puts and places, lays and sows a piece and patch of unshrunken and unbleached, new and unprocessed cloth upon an old and obsolete, worn out and ancient, dated and aged garment and piece of clothing, cloak and mantle, for the reason that the patch that was used to complete and fulfil, perfect and finish, execute, conclude and fill up the hole will lift and raise, elevate and remove itself, separating itself from the garment and piece of clothing, cloak and mantle, and a worse and more severe, very bad and more grievous split and rift, division, rent and tear comes to be and exists, arises and appears in view. Neither and nor do they throw or put, place or pour new and fresh, recent, renewed and superior wine into old and obsolete, worn out and ancient, dated and aged wineskins and leather bags. Indeed, even if they do, the wineskins and leather bags are torn and ripped, burst and broken, and the wine is poured out and spilled, scattered and shed, and the wineskins and leather bags are destroyed and ruined, annihilated and rendered useless, lost and abolished, wasted and caused to perish and pass away. But nevertheless, notwithstanding and on the contrary, they throw and put, place and pour new and fresh, recent, renewed and superior wine is for and on behalf of a new and fresh, renewed and unused, unprecedented and uncommon, unknown and remarkable, impressive and superior wineskins and leather bags, and both of them together are guarded and defended, preserved and protected, being kept him safe and sound, and never perishing My take on it is this: Yahuchanon's followers are the ones asking Yahowsha the question, why is it that they fast, and the pharisees fast, but Yahowsha's own disciples don't fast? First he says he is the bridegroom, so why should they fast, asking for God to show his favor to Israel, when that was already being fulfilled by Him? Then Yahowsha speaks of 2 parables, one is when you put a patch on an old worn out piece of clothing, it will rise up and separate from the clothing, causing an even bigger rip. Then he says you don't put new wine in old wineskins because the wineskins will rip, spilling the wine. .... so (perhaps) he is referring to the fact that the disciples have not received the spirit yet..and they weren't ready for it yet.. so it would be like Yahuwah giving his spirit to someone who wasn't ready to receive it, therefore it wouldn't work... but soon Yahowsha would be leaving them and then they would see things differently and would be in a position for Yahowah to give them the set apart spirit. There may be more to it than this, or I may just be wrong, so if anyone wants to add anything..
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