Certainly Yah's word has been used in these ways throughout history.

My mother sent me a forward today that was very political and was from a pastor who was stressing the importance of "christians" being in politics. Frankly, the two terms are nearly interchangable.

Steve,

I did misunderstand you, it would take some research to find what you are looking for. The question intrigues me though, so I will try to find an answer.

I do agree with you about the evidence missing in YY. But, I think that is just where we need to do research. Yada filled YY with so much scriptual evidence (and that is really all he needed to do) that there wasn't really time or room left for the rest. If he would have provided all of the historical evidence for everything that is not of Yahuweh, then the book would have been at least 2 or 3 times larger and it probably would have been distracting from the real important stuff. He gave us the thread, now we just have to pull it and see where it goes. I do think a bibliography of sorts would be helpful though.

What is your approach with Dan 9 if you don't mind me asking?

I know this really has nothing to do with the question and I'm not really trying to answer it here, but here's something that's humorous for all of you prowling around the forum...

The Ten Commandments display was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building. There was a good reason for the move: You can't post Thou Shalt Not Steal, Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery and Thou Shall Not Lie, in a building full of politicians and lawyers without creating a hostile work environment. ---- from anonymous Email

As to the question, I can't really say. I think we can all agree however that Yahuweh's word has been misused for political purposes...and if we can't agree to that what can we agree on?

And to that end does anyone remember September 11th and Yeshayahu 9:10?

To get back to the question - the politicization of the word starts way back - an example is the Pharasee/Saducee dispute at the time of Yahushua

These were poligeous parties battling it out for what little control the Romans allowed them, the Saducees had control of the Sanhedrin, and thus the Temple. but the Pharisees had considerable influence in the synagogues. The Saducees were the 'rational scientific' (humanist) group whilst the Pharisees were the legalistic group. Each put their own emphasis on the scriptures - the Saducee position of no life after death was scriptually unsupportable so we can assume that they had a 'we can change the scriptures' view much like the C of E (Episcopalian) mob. The Pharisees 'enhanced' the tora to suit their need for political control. This all comes out in the various encounters between Yahushua and the factions.

Closer to home - we get the Vienna circle around 1775, this group of 'philosophers' came up with the 'God is dead' theory which then freed man to cherry pick the Word. This cherry picking lead to Marx, Engels and Lenin turning selected teachings of Yahushua into Communism, and the likes of Nietzsche gave root to that other socialist form 'naziism' (liberalism in US).

Whilst it sometimes seeems as if Socialist Humanism has been with us for ever, it is relatively new, and needed the impetus of Darwin, Freud and Einstein to really take hold.

The Roman Catholic doctrine evolved down a different route, started by Constantine as a purely political instrument - read YY - its all in there. The RC theology absorbed Aristotle largely under the guidance of Thomas Aquinas in the 12th century. This lead to the definition of the 'Just War' and the root of modern diplomatic philosophy etc. Again a cherry pick of Torah and the sermon on the mount. Thus the good works gospel became part of the RC tradition replacing belief and salvation as the favoured route to heaven.

In more modern times we have the 'social gospel' which is a good works movement based upon the usual cherry pick, it was introduced into UK in the 1930's and picked up by Archbishop Temple (c of e) in the 1940's and is now the de facto standard of 'good' in UK (it should be remembered that the Bishops are appointed by the prime minister). Temple got the Social Gospel from his friend Dulles who was pushing the 'one world' order in NY and Washington at the time.

Most modern (western) political trends have their roots in selective interpretations of the word of 'god' (sic)

If you have trouble with the relationships between socialism, naziism and the liberal clique take a look at this web site:-

http://constitutionalistnc.trip.../hitler-leftist/id9.html