Just a thought I have been dwelling on recently, based on the assumption that Yahweh is infinite:

1. That which is infinite, must be constantly growing.
2. Should is cease to grow, it will cease to be infinite, as it will have an end.
3. Because Yahweh, who is infinite, "needed" to grow more he created man.
4. The purpose of man's creation was so that Yahweh could experience a loving familial relationship, and grow through it.


So once Yahweh has experienced and grown as much as he can through his relationship with man, what next?

An idea someone I talked to about this had, was that since man kind was essentially Yahweh growing through experiencing with his children, i.e. man. Then the next logical step would be what any loving parent would want to experience and that is grandchildren. So in essence we would go off to create life of our own. I must admit that it is an interesting proposition, but I do struggle with the idea of us becoming for all intents and purposes Gods.

I was wandering if anyone else might have some ideas on this, or is it as I assume something we can never really know in this life.

Hello James,


Coming out of a false religion of 18 yrs.(LDS) this is right up my alley. This is mormonism at its best. They believe we just like Yahshua, start out as men and progress to the point that we become gods. Then we just as Yahshua, will create our own worlds that we will populate with our own spiritual children. Thank Yahweh for opening my eyes to the absurdity of this false doctrine and all the other false teachings of the mormon church. If you would like more info. on it, mormonism is a good place to start. I wouldn't waste my time though, unless your friend is a mormon and you want to get the info. so you can help them understand the absurdity of it.

The mathematical concept of infinity is that it is unreachable, because it is never ending, in order to be never ending it must continue to grow, because if it does not grow, it has an end.
Just because something grows, doesn't mean it has a starting point, a plane, mathematically speaking, expands infinitely in all directions, we choose a point as the center for the purposes of using it, but that is not an origin, it is just an arbitrary center.

The reason that Yahweh created man to begin with, was so that he could grow, he was incomplete with out man. Just as we grow by having children, he grew by creating us. At least this is my understanding of why Yahweh created us.


As the determiner of what Sin is Yahweh can not sin, because he doesn't desire to sin. I agree lingering on this is not really necessary and can be a bit mind wrecking, a bit like pondering time paradoxes, but it is a bit fun from time to time.
As far as Yahweh not knowing unbelievers, I believe the knowing is in a personal way, Yahweh knows they exist, but since they are not interested in knowing him, he is not interested in knowing them. For example there where many people in my graduating class, I knew of most of them, but I didn't know anything about them other than what I herd, I didn't take the time to know them, because I was not interested in it, and they weren't interested in knowing me.


I don't think he requires us to grow in love, but he grows by sharing his love with us, just as we grow when we share our love with others. I was a loving person, but with out sharing that love with the people I care about, it does me know good, I grew incredibly when I meet my wife, and was able to share my love and life with her. So when Yahweh created us, and shared his love with us, he grew in some way.


Agreed, but for it to be a productive relationship, both parties must benifit from it, and so as we grow by forming a relationship with him, he grows by forming a relationship with us.


That's pretty much what I mean by growing, having love is one thing, but it doesn't do you much good until you share it. Not feeling complete, is what I mean by growing, he is growing more complete all the time.


This whole thread was based on the ramblings in my head, and ramblings with my friend over a few beers.



My mother and sister both spent time in the LDS, when they married into a mormon church, so I got to learn a few things about LDS. Of course this was back in my agnostic/atheist days, and I did have fun arguing atheism with mormons, actually had a few of their door to door 'missionaries' questioning their 'faith' by the time they left. mormonism is pretty easy to tear part, but I digress. When my friend first mentioned this to me, I had the same feeling that it was eerily reminiscent of mormon teaching. My friend is not a mormon, and he doesn't really believe this, it was just a thought he had, like I said we where discussing it over a few beers, so it was more just musing on the topic and this came up as a 'possibility'. Personally I don't really agree with it, but it was an interesting proposition. We both kinda came to the conclusion that we really can't know, but i thought I would see if anyone in the forum had any thought on it.

The only problem with this logic Cyn is that it views infinity as a number, which it is not, it is a concept, the concept of never ending, and in order to never end it must continually be growing. That is at least the mathematical concept of infinite. There is also the Philosophical concept, which is more in line with what you have said. So I guess it depends on what concept of infinite you use.

My 2 cents:

By definition Infinite cannot grow.

If infinite were to grow, then before it grew it was finite.
Infinite is without measure, growth would require some type of measurement that shows that growth.
If something can grow then it was not infinite.
You cannot add or take away from something that is infinite.

end of my 2 cents.