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#1 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 10:51:42 PM(UTC)
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What exactly is `Leviathan?` Is this the name of some kind of demonic creature or spirit?

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Job 41:1-34 (New Living Translation)

The Lord’s Challenge Continues


1 [a]“Can you catch Leviathan[b] with a hook
or put a noose around its jaw?
2 Can you tie it with a rope through the nose
or pierce its jaw with a spike?
3 Will it beg you for mercy
or implore you for pity?
4 Will it agree to work for you,
to be your slave for life?
5 Can you make it a pet like a bird,
or give it to your little girls to play with?
6 Will merchants try to buy it
to sell it in their shops?
7 Will its hide be hurt by spears
or its head by a harpoon?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will certainly remember the battle that follows.
You won’t try that again!
9 [c]No, it is useless to try to capture it.
The hunter who attempts it will be knocked down.
10 And since no one dares to disturb it,
who then can stand up to me?
11 Who has given me anything that I need to pay back?
Everything under heaven is mine.

12 “I want to emphasize Leviathan’s limbs
and its enormous strength and graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its hide,
and who can penetrate its double layer of armor?[d]
14 Who could pry open its jaws?
For its teeth are terrible!
15 Its scales are like rows of shields
tightly sealed together.
16 They are so close together
that no air can get between them.
17 Each scale sticks tight to the next.
They interlock and cannot be penetrated.

18 “When it sneezes, it flashes light!
Its eyes are like the red of dawn.
19 Lightning leaps from its mouth;
flames of fire flash out.
20 Smoke streams from its nostrils
like steam from a pot heated over burning rushes.
21 Its breath would kindle coals,
for flames shoot from its mouth.
22 “The tremendous strength in Leviathan’s neck
strikes terror wherever it goes.
23 Its flesh is hard and firm
and cannot be penetrated.
24 Its heart is hard as rock,
hard as a millstone.
25 When it rises, the mighty are afraid,
gripped by terror.
26 No sword can stop it,
no spear, dart, or javelin.
27 Iron is nothing but straw to that creature,
and bronze is like rotten wood.
28 Arrows cannot make it flee.
Stones shot from a sling are like bits of grass.
29 Clubs are like a blade of grass,
and it laughs at the swish of javelins.
30 Its belly is covered with scales as sharp as glass.
It plows up the ground as it drags through the mud.
31 “Leviathan makes the water boil with its commotion.
It stirs the depths like a pot of ointment.
32 The water glistens in its wake,
making the sea look white.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal,
no other creature so fearless.
34 Of all the creatures, it is the proudest.
It is the king of beasts.”


Footnotes:

1. Job 41:1 Verses 41:1-8 are numbered 40:25-32 in Hebrew text.
2. Job 41:1 The identification of Leviathan is disputed, ranging from an earthly creature to a mythical sea monster in ancient literature.
3. Job 41:9 Verses 41:9-34 are numbered 41:1-26 in Hebrew text.
4. Job 41:13 As in Greek version; Hebrew reads its bridle?
Offline Theophilus  
#2 Posted : Friday, January 2, 2009 1:42:37 PM(UTC)
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I checked two commentaries on the Leviathan described in Job 41 and the popular answer there is the Nile Crocodile.
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#3 Posted : Friday, January 2, 2009 1:55:31 PM(UTC)
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there was a big debat by some guy about this a while ago, he had taken the stick grabbed it by the wrong end and ran too far with it. lol

I think KP might have written something on it I cant remeber...

*looks at KP while searching...*

Not that I can find anyway...
Signature Updated! Woo that was old...
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#4 Posted : Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:48:10 AM(UTC)
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Theophilus wrote:
I checked two commentaries on the Leviathan described in Job 41 and the popular answer there is the Nile Crocodile.


Or something bigger and worser!

When hunting duck in Florida, we carry slug ammunition in addition to bird shot.

Why slugs?

(No, not even your intrepid author is THAT good of a shot! I cannot bring down birds with slugs!)

After shooting a bird, the dog is allowed out of the boat to retrieve the prize. The hunter quickly reloads his shotgun with rifled slugs to protect his beloved dog from the terrible lizards that abound in the Florida swamps. After Old Yeller has retrieved the bird and gets back in the boat, the hunter reloads with bird shot and resumes the hunt.

Buckshot will not stop an alligator nor an American Crocodile! It bounces right off, much like Job's spears and stones.

Lore has it that Nile Crocodiles are even more fierce than American Crocs. An oft' repeated statistic states that the number one cause of human death in rural Africa is being eaten by a crocodile. (Hippos are the #2 killer, being killed by another person is the #3 cause of death [stats are exclusive of wartime deaths]).

I would believe that "Leviathan" is/was a Crocodile of some sort.
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But first, it will piss you off!
Offline Matthew  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:18:33 PM(UTC)
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edStueart wrote:
I would believe that "Leviathan" is/was a Crocodile of some sort.

I briefly saw an interesting thing on the National Geographic channel today, a guy called Brady Barr was investigating the bite-force (measured in pounds-per-square-inch) of certain animals. He crawled into a cave/pit alongside a dry river bed of a Nile Crocodile (those found in the Serengeti) and it packed a bite-force of 5000 psi. He reckons a T-Rex packed about 6000 psi, while he measured a Great White Shark at only +-400 psi.
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