All righty then, let’s get this party started.
wrote:Well Golly gee, there's a "pagan origin" for just about everything when people have the kind of mindset found in this site.
Yeah, I have the antagonist mindset.
It doesn’t require any kind of mindset other than that of study and truth to see the Pagan origins of words like bible, lord, jebus, etc or holidays like easter. christmas, lent, etc. These are facts that are simple to find. You have no justification for any of them, other than that is what some translator hundreds of years ago, I don’t know, maybe in 1611, choose, or the Church decided to keep. Spend twenty minutes doing some research and you will find that these are as Pagan as the cross.
wrote:But since God confounded the languages in Genesis 11 and in essence. CREATED THEM, we thus learn FROM THE HOLY BIBLE that words and languages came FROM GOD.
At best your argument is negated by the fact that most every language in existence today wasn’t in existence at that time. So if you want to say that all the languages created then were created by God then you might have a leg to stand on, but English, Greek, Latin, Spanish, and pretty much every language on the planet today wasn’t spoken then. Hebrew ironically, the language of Yahuweh’s revelation was.
wrote:This thread is a sorry example of the very kinds of paranoid, delusional wives tales and nonsense the Apostle Paul warned us would come from those under the spell of Judaizer error.
You use judaizer as a derogatory term and wonder why I label you an anti shemite hmm. What is paranoid and delusional exactly about not trusting men who belonged to power hungry religion to give us the truth? Or what about Yahushua’s warning to us in Revelation about the Nicolaitans? What were the Nicokaitans known for? Let’s see they promoted reconciliation between followers of the way, whereby the followers of the way would adopt the pagan practices. What exactly did Yahuweh say to the ecclesia that rejected them and the ecclesia that accepted them? I’ll let you go look that one up.
wrote:But praise God that Jesus Christ promised to build His church and the gates of Hell have not prevailed against it, unless one believes all the nonsense In Yada Yahweh and the lies about Paul.
Since you know the Truth about Yahushua’s name, and continue to reject the Truth, I’m not going to belittle the argument on your misuse of name. Yahushua never used the word “church” not once not ever, if he had wanted a church he could have used it, he choose ecclesia, and yes the ecclesia has been here since Yahushua, it’s not always been large, in fact just as Yahushua predicted, the way is narrow and unpopular and few have found it.
wrote:In Foxe's Book of Martyrs and other accounts you will find the bloody whore of Revelation 17 killing many of Christ's followeres. These men and women were born again Christians who were known as "people of the book" by Muslims, and it was they who spread the faith and fame of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth.
Well, I’ve never read that book, but I will say this, so I can’t comment much but to say, if these were followers of the way then they were not Christians, they were not Born Again, and they weren’t spreading the faith and fame of Jebus, if they were followers of the way then they were Chrestusian’s who were Born from Above, and they spread the beneficial message of the Towrah and Yahushua’s fulfillment of it.
wrote:It was they who were being murdered. Rome didn't waste five minutes with the Judaizers, who as always merely tried to proselytize and seduce people won to the Lord by others to their own little cult. Judaizers have never been, and never will be soul-winners because that is not what concerns them, and should they try, the Holy Ghost will not anoint them nor back them for they are in serious error, as Paul, the real Apostle and expounder the the ways of God warned.
Nice little substance free rant my friend. Not really much I can say about this mainly because there is nothing here other than a bunch of statements with no basis. Personally I could care less what Foxe’s Book of Martrys says, it’s not Scripture, so what it says is irrelevant, and what the people in it did is irrelevant to me. The only relevant thing is what Yahuweh and Yahushua said.
wrote:It is amazing to me that all Paul predicted has come to pass, and those critical of him are doing exactly what he said they would so.
Most everything Paul “predicted” was prevalent in his own time.
wrote:Paul was a soul-winner, church planter and martyr for Jesus Christ the Lord. Judaizers are none of these things.
Last I checked we have no record of Paul being martyred, either in Scripture or in historical documents. As for being a church planter, and soul-winner, yeah he did both those; the only real question is who did he win souls too. Anton LeVey was a church planter and a soul-winner, doesn’t mean he was leading souls in the right direction.
wrote:Your post is as entertaining as it is utterly dishonest.
Well thanks for the compliment; quite frankly humor was the only merit I found in your post. As for dishonest, I only had what you wrote to go by, and like I said when someone uses judaizer in a derogatory sense I think it is safe to say they are a anti shemite. And your post was totally void of a intellectual response or challenge to the topic of the thread, or in general. If you wished to argue that the term bible did not have a pagan origin, you should have provided some evidence that it was not derived from the name of a pagan god, had you done that I would have addressed your evidence. The closest thing to an argument you had was the Genesis verse, which as I have already pointed out was completely illegitimate since Yahuweh had nothing to do with the creation of the languages spoken today.
wrote:There is nothing "anti-shemite" about what I wrote, or in me.
So did you mean judaizer in a good way, if so I’m sorry the tone of your post made it come across as derogatory.
wrote:Your accusation is utterly false and a pathetic attempt at Ad Hominem, the deceiver's only refuge.
No it was an attempt at having fun at your expense. You drivel was so inane, that it really didn’t justify a response, unfortunately for me I have a hard time letting such drivel go unanswered, so alas here I am wasting my time responding to you.
Oh yeah, and correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t your calling us Judaizer Ad Hominem attacking us? I think so.
wrote:The evidence I gave is found in Genesis 11.
Which was completely inane for the reasons I have already pointed out.
wrote:Apparently, dealing with evidence is not your forte.
Apparently you haven’t read anything else I have posted, I love addressing evidence, it’s just your evidence was so self explanatory I figured most wouldn’t need my help, and since my response to you is not for you, I know it will fall on deaf ears, it’s for others reading it, I didn’t address it then.
Now why don’t you turn the mirror back on you? There is a ton of evidence in this thread for the pagan origins of bible, why don’t you address that or any of the evidence presented in Yada Yahweh for that matter. Fact of the matter is your post didn’t address a single piece of evidence presented anywhere, it was just a rant about how we are wrong and we are judaizers, and your right.
wrote:I am not surprised. Making assertions in a shrill and strident manner is all you have.
Are we talking about you here, because that is a pretty accurate description of every post you have put up so far.
Quote:Words--all of them, came from God ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
Nice assertion made in a shrill and strident manner, too bad it’s not true.
wrote:Words are a form of communication for good or evil,
Hey we agree on something.
wrote:depending ON THE HEART of the one using them.
Spoke to soon. Personally I don’t give a damn what your heart thinks, or my heart for that matter. The only thing that really matters is Yahuweh’s Word.
wrote:I expect such simple logic and facts to escape those of your antagonistic mindset, but perhaps you will surprise me.
There is no logic to the heart, it is all emotional.
I love you saying I have an antagonist mindset, you are the one who came to this forum, didn’t take the time to read any of Yada Yahweh, didn’t take the time to consider an of the evidence, didn’t bother to address any of the points made, you just come here call us names, say we are wrong and you are right without giving reason.
If I come across as sarcastic and annoyed, it’s because I have dealt with too many people just like you, and wasted too much of my time.
Now, why don’t you take the time to address the evidence and make a logical argument providing evidence against it.