Replying to this isn't worth the time and effort, however I will invest some.
Semiticus wrote:I assure you I'm well read on the issue, and I'd suggest you are more likely the one falling victim to propaganda. Let me guess, "Land without a people for a people without a land"?
Actually I don't need a slogan to justify my position. Facts are enough.
Fact 1: the majority of the "land grab" in Israel was purchased by Jewish organizations and wealthy Jews from absentee land owners prior to the reformation of Israel. These land owners who owned land in the Ottoman province did not live there and like most people of the time viewed the land as worthless and uninhabitable. Read descriptions of the place prior to the formation of Israel. Mark Twain for example described it as follows, "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
Fact 2: Israel was created under the same mandate that created Jordan, so if Israel down't have a right to exist neither does Jordan.
Fact 3: It is the Arab Muslim countries who in over fifty years have failed to assimilate the refugees who fled to their countries. In that same period of time virtually every Jew who has fled oppression and slaughter in Muslim countries has been accepted and assimilated into Israel.
Fact 4: Arab Muslims citizens of Israel are the most free and have the most rights of any Muslim in the middle east. If you look at the worst and least free countries in the world most all of them are Muslim. Meanwhile Muslim citizens in Israel are free and prosperous.
Semiticus wrote:I'd suggest you have a read of even some of the more sensible Jewish historians like Benny Morris (Righteous victims), Ilan Pappe (Ethnic cleansing of Palestine) et. al.
I prefer primary sources as opposed to agenda driven historians from either side. Read newspaper articles from the region and the world at the time.
Semiticus wrote:Well technically speaking there was no such people as Lebanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Saudis, Jordanians etc. either. Are you unaware the region was previously all part of the Ottoman Caliphate?
I'm well aware of the history of the carving up of the Ottoman Empire. The difference is that the "Palestinians" took on a name, a decade or more after the formation of Israel, that gave the illusion that they had a history and a right to the land. Jordan was a part of the Palestinian mandate as well, why are they not called Palestinians? The name Palestinian is nothing more than a marketing myth.
Semiticus wrote:This is true, although I don't know about being expelled, the population exchange was mutually agreed upon, and the partition plan (including the population exchange proposal) was drawn up by the British Viceroy of India, Louis Mountbatten. I'm sure a less informed audience would've allowed you to try and pass that off as some great evil committed by Muslims though.
Yeah agreed upon by politicians, tell that to the Indians who were removed from their generational homeland at gun point. And since we are accepting the British right to divide this land, why do we then deny their right to divide the Palestinian mandate as well. I didn't say it was a great evil I only pointed out that it was a VERY similar division as that of Israel and Jordan, and no one seems to consider it. So build your straw man somewhere else.
Semiticus wrote:Interesting too that you left out the fact that an equal number of Muslims left India for Pakistan.... was that out of ignorance? Or deceptiveness?
It was not germane to the point therefore it was not necessary.
Interesting to me is that you are trying to portray an event that lead to the death of a million or more people as a peaceful transfer.
Just an FYI so you don't waste your time, everyone here is informed as to the true nature of Islam, and are well versed in it's violent history, as well as the "plight of the 'Palestinians'" so don't waste your time here trying to convince us that Islam is great and Israel is evil. Just leave, you are flailing in the wind here. As a Muslim my best advice to you is to inform yourself as to the true nature of your religion and prophet, read
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