MA wrote: Are you kidding me? "We" could mean Israelites, studiers of Yashua, righteous people, or many other implied entities. He never said "I will be alive". He is emphatic most likely becsaue this is a very important and happy thing he is telling us.
No it cannot. In English it can, but it Greek it cannot. That was the whole point of the 1st post had you bothered to read it. The Greek word which Paul choose was hēmeis, a word who’s only purpose in being used is to add emphasis. Had Paul wished to convey a plural without including himself he would not have used hēmeis. As I pointed out in the 1st post Greek like many languages alters the verb to convey who it applies to. Had Paul not included hemeis here then your interpretation might have some validity as ho zao the two words preceding it can mean those living, and thus would not necessarily include the speaker, but when preceded with hemeis it is WE the living.... Furthermore the two verbs directly after hemeis, zao and perileipomai, which are being ascribed to hemeis are in the present tense.
Based on all of this there is no way to exclude Paul from We, and since this event did not occur in Paul's lifetime then Paul was wrong, in a game where 1 strike is you are out.
MA wrote:And you are trying to put him backwards into a box over a person's intepretation and call hima liar and discredit him over this??? I have chatted with many "Paul haters" and I see some more here. Paul is a genius and speaks at the highest levels of biblical understanding.
I am simply looking at the words your so called genius wrote. I have not cited, quoted or stated anyone’s interpretation. You are ignoring the words he wrote and telling me time and time again that he didn’t mean what he wrote he means something the opposite of what he wrote. What kind of genius can’t communicate? You are the one interpreting his words to mean something other than what they out right say.
Yes I hate Paul. And as far as the “highest levels of biblical understanding” I would say Dowd/David did that with his Pslams which are clear and simple to understand and mean what they say.
MA wrote:Yashua said you can pick up serpents and drink poison. Does that mean you should go pick up a snake? Of course not, but you would be surprised at how many people yearly are killed by doing this.
We had this discussion before, that story is 100% made up. It did not exist in the original text, just like the story of the adulterous woman and let he who is without sin cast the first stone, religious men added this. Again, please read our prior conversation on this.
http://forum.yadayah.com...sts&t=2604#post23197MA wrote:When Paul says "we who are alive" if he did mean him maybe he had hope it would happen then since he knows the plan. But it did not. And that is no reason to skew him like you have. Maybe Mr. Strong is slightly off too.
HE did not say I hope, he did not say I think, he stated it as fact, he stated it with the authority of one who speaks for God, and he was wrong. If Paul spoke for Yahowah then he would not have stated what he stated and since he did he does not speak for Yahowah.
Dabariym 18 wrote: “And if (wa ky) you actually say (‘amar – you genuinely ask over the course of time (scribed in the qal imperfect)) in (ba) your heart (lebab – your inner nature and attitude), ‘How (‘eykah) shall we actually and consistently know (yada’ – shall we continually possess the information required to genuinely distinguish, discriminate, understand and acknowledge (here the qal stem was used to convey actually, genuinely, and literally while the imperfect conjugation reveals that the ability to know is ongoing, consistent, and continual irrespective of time))accordingly if the (‘eth ha – whether the) statement (dabar – written or spoken communication) which (‘asher – under the expectation of a beneficial relationship)he speaks or writes (dabar – his complete testimony (here the prefect conjugation requires us to examine the totality of the person’s written and spoken communication while the piel stem reveals that our perceptions of the object’s writings, Yahowah’s Towrah in this case, suffer the effect of the false prophet’s testimony)) is not (lo’) Yahowah’s ()?’
If that which (‘asher) is deliberately spoken over time (dabar – has continually orchestrated through written or spoken communication (with the piel stem the subject influences the object and with the imperfect conjugation the consequence is ongoing)) by the one who proclaims the message (ha naby’ – prophet who claims divine inspiration) in (ba) Yahowah’s () name (shem – reputation and renown) is not literally and consistently present and established(lo’ hayah – is not actually instituted and existing (qal imperfect)), or it does notactually come to be (wa lo’ bow’ – does not consistently arrive (such as a predicted harvest) or literally happen (such as an errant prediction) (qal imperfect)), the message (ha dabar – the written statement and spoken communication) which(‘asher – from the perspective of a beneficial relationship) he (huw’), himself, has deliberately spoken to influence (dabar – the totality of what he has communicated orally and in writing to effect one’s perceptions regarding the object, which is God (piel perfect)) is not (lo’) Yahowah’s ().
In (ba – with) arrogance and presumptuousness (zadown – with an inflated view of himself, self-willed and self-motivated, this morally flawed, disrespectful, imprudent, insulting, and shameless individual has taken great liberty while overstepping all due bounds in contempt of the established authority), the prophet(ha naby’ – the one claiming to be issuing inspired statements from God) has spoken and written (dabar – he has conceived and presented his message (piel perfect – he has completely and deliberately sought to influence)).
You should not respect or revere him nor conspire to rebel with him (lo’ guwr min – you should not fear him, join him, congregate or live with him either).”(Dabarym / Words / Deuteronomy 18:21-22)
People like you will dance all around, bend over backward, squint their eyes and do whatever it takes not to abandon Paul. There is no hope for a true believer to ever come to the truth. Since you are here today spouting the same nonsense you did 3 years ago it is even clearer that you are a true believer and no amount of facts, evidence or reason will ever convince you, so why should I waste my time.